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I am in agreement with your posts more often than seems rightMODERN AMERICAN EVANGELICAL INTERPRETATION ROMANS 6:3-4
Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become [a]united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be [b]in the likeness of His resurrection….
By human fiat, AE's declare Romans 6 as an identification with Christ. This is a recent understanding of what Romans 6 means. I had never heard of this definition before I joined CF. They cite no Scripture support for this definition and don't even define extra Biblically. They just declare Romans 6 is an identification with Christ as such.
Just what does identification with Christ mean? No one knows. Seems to me this is nothing more than "word salad" or a knee jerk "mantra" without studying the text itself.
Questions:
- Can I identify with Christ in his baptism? Yeap.
- Can I identify with Christ in the Lord's Supper? Yeap.
- Can I identify with Christ in his virgin birth? Yeap.
- Can I identify with Christ in John 3:16? Yeap.
- Can I identify with Christ in any verse in the NT that speaks about Jesus? Yeap.
Because "identification with Christ" are just words with no meaning....it is compatible with anything and everything in the NT, of which no distinction is possible. I call it gibberish.
MODERN AMERICAN EVANGELICAL INTERPRETATION ROMANS 6:3-4
Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become [a]united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be [b]in the likeness of His resurrection….
By human fiat, AE's declare Romans 6 as an identification with Christ. This is a recent understanding of what Romans 6 means. I had never heard of this definition before I joined CF. They cite no Scripture support for this definition and don't even define it extra Biblical. They just declare Romans 6 is an identification with Christ as such.
Just what does identification with Christ mean? No one knows. Seems to me this is nothing more than "word salad" or a knee jerk "mantra" without studying the text itself.
Questions:
- Can I identify with Christ in his baptism? Yeap.
- Can I identify with Christ in the Lord's Supper? Yeap.
- Can I identify with Christ in his virgin birth? Yeap.
- Can I identify with Christ in John 3:16? Yeap.
- Can I identify with Christ in any verse in the NT that speaks about Jesus? Yeap.
Because "identification with Christ" are just words with no meaning....it is compatible with anything and everything in the NT, of which no distinction is possible. I call it gibberish.
< sigh >
I note the characteristicly nebulous "sounding a lot like" in lieu of a specific Biblical demonstration. . .
I like that you put these little snippet's together of your thoughts.
You don't understand what identification with Christ means? Well part of it was in the text you presented,....
Rom 6:5 For, if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection;
Looks like a lot more than just "identification with" if you ask me.
I don't identify with Jesus in my baptism. I am united to Him.
In my baptism I am there, with Jesus, at His death.
In my baptism I am there, with Jesus, in His burial.
In my baptism I am there, with Jesus, in His resurrection.
I am in Christ.
And Christ is in me.
I don't identify with Jesus.
I am in and with Jesus; even as He is in and with me.
"That where I am, you may be also"
"In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you."
"But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,"
If you could, for a moment, turn an ear to hear the profound mystery of this faith, it would obliterate every false doctrine you subscribe to. Because nothing can compare to the immeasurable depths of power that is in the Gospel. We are in Christ.
-CryptoLutheran
The foul lies of Satan have no place here.
-CryptoLutheran
And still without Biblical demonstration is that Jesus had a friend named Jerry.When I was a child I used to play games with other kids. Some of those kids would make up games, and they would frequently change the rules of the game. Because the only real rule for the game was that they win.
You seem to follow a similar methodology, the rules are "Clare73 wins". I'm done playing games with you.
Also sounding a lot like failure to realize that if it is not in Scripture, it enjoys no Scriptural authority.It's sounding a lot like you get to make an assertion without biblical support and require others to demonstrate it is false using the Bible, but other people have to demonstrate their position from the Bible while you get to just dismiss it.
Turns out the final authority for Clare73 is Clare73.
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