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A sense of meaning is nothing more than a sense of imagination.
You people? I'm an atheist and I don't think I have an authoritative stance. I realize the universe is a cold sandbox. Personally for me, the idea of that is exciting.
Maybe sometimes depressing, but even that is romantic to me in a sense. Lol.
The here and now counts..
We have evolved complex emotions and drives, including a sense of meaning. This stuff exists whether or not we're mortal or not, or even if it's not objective.
Can you spot the contradiction between those two statements of yours?Says common sense and every atheist I've met.
Maybe we should set up a thread where atheists vacuously and unintelligibly deny everything that theists say about them. Oh wait, we have many of those.
Your common sense isn´t the appropriate tool to determine what I do or don´t believe. The apppropriate tool is to ask and listen.Says common sense
I tell you I don´t. Don´t forget to add that to your track record.and every atheist I've met.
Well, both of are obviously on a forum created for the interaction between Christians and non-Christians.I never go onto atheist websites and tell them anything. And probably a lot of them never go onto Christian sites.
Because you say so?Meh-
People arrive at meaning because there truly is meaning.
Because you say so?Just not the way you are approaching it. People always make judgements because there truly are judgements to be made.
Not sure whom you are talking to here...but feel free to point out the contradiction.Your stance is a contradiction.
Errr, no.All you have is nihilism.
Indeed. This morality (as a product of ourselves) can be demonstrated to exist.Without an outside source of our morality, morality is only a product of ourselves and that can vary tremendously and have equal validity regardless of what it is. There is no authoritative meaning or truth simply within ourselves.
That´s not a contradiction.Your stance is a contradiction because from your perspective, you are attaching meaning and importance to yourself when there isn't any.
Of no more significance to you?You are of no more significance than the ants I run over in my driveway all summer long regardless of how much they may think differently.
No, it´s you superimposing your ideas upon my statements.That's coming from your perspective only,-not mine.
Nothing?You cannot generate self-worth out of nothing.
That may be your opinion - but abstain from picturing it as being mine. Thank you.You are nothing but a collection of cells and chemicals that somehow thinks it means something.
And thinking that it means something means that it does mean something. That is what "meaning" is... it is attributed to something by a thinking being.Your stance is a contradiction because from your perspective, you are attaching meaning and importance to yourself when there isn't any. You are of no more significance than the ants I run over in my driveway all summer long regardless of how much they may think differently. That's coming from your perspective only,-not mine. You cannot generate self-worth out of nothing. You are nothing but a collection of cells and chemicals that somehow thinks it means something.
I think that chopping off heads is extremely meaningful. Even more so when it´s about chopping my head off.There are other thinking beings out there that believe it is entirely meaningful to chop your head off. Is their meaning any less so than yours?
The first rule of every ridiculous cult ever invented by power-crazy human beings: convince others that they are "nothing", and tell them they will only be something if they bow to your authority.Of course you think differently because you are also very good at lying to yourself. You are arguing with yourself. You are trying to refute yourself. You are insisting on meaning that has no authoritative source. You are nothing.
You might notice that not a few of exactly these other thinking beings claim that this is not a meaning that originates from them, but from a "highest authority".There are other thinking beings out there that believe it is entirely meaningful to chop your head off. Is their meaning any less so than yours?
Exactly. Look at what you said there.Who cares where their authority comes from.
So your God and their God are "equally valid" (whatever it is you mean when saying "equally valid")?It's what they believe and it is equally valid with yours.
Where does your authority come from? Do you even have one? I am not sure.Who cares where their authority comes from. It's what they believe and it is equally valid with yours. And I have no interest in you bowing to anything. I usually avoid these kinds of conversations since I personally believe that if someone has found the place that makes them happy they can stay there for all I care. Even if it makes them nothing.
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