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What Does Atheism Profit Atheists?

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Well actually if there's no fallacious reasoning in the argument, it is indeed not a fallacy.

True or false is never in the eye of the beholder. Your personal perspective has no bearing on what is objectively true.
 
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Ok, at this point you're just being flat out intellectually dishonest.
 
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A fallacy is a false hood, and pretending I don't know what a logical fallacy is, a term I never used, along with your other recent posts/desperate attempts to weasel out of something that is so simple and clear just is has always was, is just too sad for me to bear.

I think were done here.
 
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No, it's not.

A logical fallacy is defined as: "A failure in reasoning that renders an argument invalid".

You're trying to weasel out of the fact you accused me of fallacious reasoning then looked foolish when it was exposed that you don't know what the term means.
 
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Stop adding the word "logical" I don't care what a logical fallacy is. My comment did not include that. And that's not really so much for you, we are done, it's to be certain readers aren't misled with your add ons that I already covered once.

Haven't you dug yourself in deep enough? Please, stop doing this to yourself. I'm uncomfortable for you.
 
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I agree, there's no point in discussing logic with you.

Later.
 
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Lacking belief is not what Athiesm is by definition.

Atheism by definition is.....

In the broadest sense, the absence of belief in the existence of deities.

It's like you didn't understand what you wrote.

Having an absence of belief in the existence of deities is the same as lacking belief.

Athiests claim that God does not exist.

Some atheists make this claim.
Not this atheist though.

True Atheism is flat out rejection of external deity figure.

Ah, I see "true" atheists. And by true, you mean "the definition of atheism that I want to use".

What if I defined "true" Christians as biblical literalistic, young earth creationist opposed to gay marriage and supporting slavery?

Atheism is a response to a claim. Theists claim that some god exists. My response is: I don't believe your claim, and until you can provide evidence to support it, I will continue withholding my belief.
 
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Profit? It doesn't. Benefit? I would say atheists benefit from a view of reality more accurate than their theistic brethren.

Are you referring to the reality of... It all started from nothing or something, somewhere, for no reason that we know of, over... Created, and for a reason, just as we have seen anything and everything come about with our own eyes, and have never ever seen it come about any other way?

Must be a matter of perception of reality, cuz I'm just not seeing it.
 
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Atheism is a response to a claim. Theists claim that some god exists. My response is: I don't believe your claim, and until you can provide evidence to support it, I will continue withholding my belief.

Therefore Athiesm is nothing on its own merit and comes only into play as a response to the question in regards to the existence of God.

So Athiesm is a response, leading towards a counter claim to reject the existance of God.

Within the scientific community a claim or theory is to be taken as truth into evidence unless it is proven wrong.

The ball is in the Athiest court to prove that the Christian claim to the existance of God is wrong.

For Athiests to do so, they have the burden to prove otherwise and in so doing they are claiming that God doesn't exist.

I hope I have cleared up the smoke screen.
 
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No, you are hiding behind a smoke screen.
 
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Hello.

Please forgive me. I was wondering if this post you made could be seen as a 'fallacy fallacy'?

Please let me know what you think

Thank you
 
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The scientific community doesn't accept every idea unless it's proven to be wrong.

Ideas are known as hypotheses which are not accepted as true unless they undergo a battery of tests and independent peer review. If it passes all attempts to falsify it, then it is tentatively accepted pending further evidence which may come along and discredit it.

God is a hypothesis, theists have not yet shown sufficient evidence to support the claim that it exists. Until there is some kind of solid evidence to examine then theism has not met its burden of proof, and we can not be justified in accepting the claim.
 
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Hello.

Please forgive me. I was wondering if this post you made could be seen as a 'fallacy fallacy'?

Please let me know what you think

Thank you

I'm not sure how you'd conclude that, what part in particular do you mean?
 
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Hello.

With the concept of burden of proof. What type of proof would you require?
 
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I'm not sure how you'd conclude that, what part in particular do you mean?

fallacy fallacy is a logical fallacy that occurs when it is claimed that if an argument contains a logical fallacy, the proposition it was used to support is wrong.
 
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I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here, but no, I don't think it's got anything to do with my point.

Must be a matter of perception of reality, cuz I'm just not seeing it.

Indeed...you probably won't be able to.
 
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fallacy fallacy is a logical fallacy that occurs when it is claimed that if an argument contains a logical fallacy, the proposition it was used to support is wrong.

The fallacy of the fallacy is a bit tricky...

It means that you can be correct in spite of using a logical fallacy...but it doesn't mean that you are correct.
 
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Hello.

With the concept of burden of proof. What type of proof would you require?

Something that would conclusively demonstrate the existence of a god that can be examined and falsified should do I would imagine.

It's not really up to me though, the person who believes the claim should be capable of providing evidence sufficient to warrant belief. It's up to them to prove their claims, and if they can, I'll accept their claim.
 
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Nonsense!

The belief in God is testified throughout generations and nations and this is based on experiencal claims that cannot be dismissed an hypothesis. The subjects of the claim of God existing are part and parcel of the insurmountable bed of evidence that keeps coming and coming and no one throughout history has been able to refute the claim of the existance of God.

An Athiest csn only make hypothesis in counterclaim without any merited evidence, because evidence is required by the Athiests to prove otherwise.
 
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