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My church, Calvary Chapel, considers themselves a non-denominational church. Sometimes I wonder why, but then I realize I really couldn't care less.
I consider myself non-denominational because I can (and have) attend a baptist church without agreeing with them on every gift of the Spirit matter, and I can (and have) attend a Weslyan church and not agree on their doctrine on the loss of salvation, and I can (and have) attend a charismatic church and not have to agree that I must bark like a dog to be "spiritual".
So, that's what non-denominational means to me, that I'm not bound to the beliefs of any particular denomination.
JimB said:She still preferred a non-denominational church.
My church, Calvary Chapel, considers themselves a non-denominational church. Sometimes I wonder why, but then I realize I really couldn't care less.
I consider myself non-denominational because I can (and have) attend a baptist church without agreeing with them on every gift of the Spirit matter, and I can (and have) attend a Weslyan church and not agree on their doctrine on the loss of salvation, and I can (and have) attend a charismatic church and not have to agree that I must bark like a dog to be "spiritual".
So, that's what non-denominational means to me, that I'm not bound to the beliefs of any particular denomination.
My church, Calvary Chapel, considers themselves a non-denominational church. Sometimes I wonder why, but then I realize I really couldn't care less.
I consider myself non-denominational because I can (and have) attend a baptist church without agreeing with them on every gift of the Spirit matter, and I can (and have) attend a Weslyan church and not agree on their doctrine on the loss of salvation, and I can (and have) attend a charismatic church and not have to agree that I must bark like a dog to be "spiritual".
So, that's what non-denominational means to me, that I'm not bound to the beliefs of any particular denomination.
I totally agree with this.
The non-denominational churches I have attended had beautiful worship- wonderful words about the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and did not overflow with legalism.
Same here.The non-denominational churches I have attended had beautiful worship- wonderful words about the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and did not overflow with legalism.
Same here...there's a few around here you couldn't pay me to be a member of.You're fortunate. I know some “independent” non-denominational churches in our region that are a legalist throwback to the 1940’s. One is a Oneness church that does not believe in the Trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. IMO, the name non-denominational means nothing. A non-denominational church could be anything, even a cult.
~Jim
Love God. Love people. Period.
Same here...there's a few around here you couldn't pay me to be a member of.
One, some friends of ours started going to several years ago and invited us...we had just left another church...go and visit, my friends had told the pastor that I was a music minister, so he asked me to sing...next thing I know he's trying to convince us to join and be the music minister there...something didn't seem right so I told him I'd pray about it...we visited a few more times, then I find out the Sunday School superintendent is a convicted child molester...the last time my wife and I walked in there I had an image flash before me of all the congregation having an orgy...I knew that was it, and we turned around and went home.
Come to find out a few months later the "church" was forced out of the neighborhood they were in...ended up moving into an old school building until they were forced out of there as well...I can only imagine what was going on.
Yeah it was creepy...our friends that were going there ended up getting a divorce...he had started sleeping around on her and she had started using drugs again...the pastor, who preferred to be called apostle, wanted all of the women to wear revealing clothing...he had some really strange teachings on the end times, can't remember all of them...but he had some idea about the mark of the beast being the veins in people's hands and foreheads twisting into the shape 666...they always kept a candle burning at the altar...I didn't know this, and I think it was the second time we visited we stayed after service because the pastor wanted to talk with us...he's turning off the lights and I go over to blow out the candle and his wife starts screaming, "No!! You'll blow the spirit out!" I was like, "Oooookaaaaay."
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Yeah it was creepy...our friends that were going there ended up getting a divorce...he had started sleeping around on her and she had started using drugs again...the pastor, who preferred to be called apostle, wanted all of the women to wear revealing clothing...he had some really strange teachings on the end times, can't remember all of them...but he had some idea about the mark of the beast being the veins in people's hands and foreheads twisting into the shape 666...they always kept a candle burning at the altar...I didn't know this, and I think it was the second time we visited we stayed after service because the pastor wanted to talk with us...he's turning off the lights and I go over to blow out the candle and his wife starts screaming, "No!! You'll blow the spirit out!" I was like, "Oooookaaaaay."
True.Yes...this is the reason I am leary of non-denom churches. Of course there are big variations inside denoms as well, but not nearly as freaky as what you describe.
Some people pride themselves in being non-denominational. The other day I got a call from someone who wanted to know if the Vineyard was a denomination. When I said it was (sort of) they informed me that they could not attend our church because it was a denomination. They were looking for a non-denominational church.
Any non-denominational church? I asked.
Yes, she said. She didnt believe in denominations.
Well, I said, a denomination at least says a bit about what the church believes. But a non-denominational church can believe anything; you never know what youre getting with a non-denom.
She still preferred a non-denominational church.
So, I recommended a church across town that prides itself as being non-denominational. Only, its a fundamentalist split off the local LDS church that believes in polygamy, that their members are little gods destined to inherit a planet someday, that Lucifer is the brother of Jesus, and that you can only be baptized if you believe these (plus a weird few other) things. But at least theyre non-denominational.
But how would you know if I hadnt told you? I asked. At least you know what the Vineyard (or for that matter Baptist, or Assembly of God, or Presbyterian, or Methodist, or Nazarene, or any other denom) believes and values without learning it after the fact or without getting burned after you join up.
So, for the sake of discussion, what are the pros and cons of denominations and what are the pros and cons of non-denominational churches.
~Jim
Love God. Love people. Period.
You could always start your own church.This is why I don't go to church.
Non-denominational churches can often times be cults, which is even worse than the dogma of denominations. It's a lose-lose situation, really.
You could always start your own church.
I've thought about it...
But I don't feel right about asking for money and donations. I feel guilty about that. Jesus never took up an offering.
I have a good job which I enjoy, so I'll stick with that instead for now. I'm doing a great deal of good for people anyway, and even helping non-believers too.
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