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Freodin said:The successors of the franconian King Charles the Great (better known as Charlemagne)...
Only if you speak German - the rest of the world seems to have settled on the french version. Well, both countries claim him as founding father, so both names are justified.USincognito said:Also as Karl Der Grosse.
Definitly. Politically, it was impossible to unite Germany, against the opposition of jealous monarchs and the area-patriotism of the common population. It was only a small part of the "intellectual elite" that thought in terms of a "nation".What do you think about the Zollverein, and do you think it was an important factor in creating an eventual unified Germany?
Both.As Germany unified under the Hohenzollerns, do you think it was to the future "Germany's" benefit or detriment that the ruling family was Prussian?
Been to Oktoberfest I alwas thought it was put on for tourist. To see how much beer one tourist could possible hold before passing out. Been there did it, and got the beer glass to show for it.hemis said:What can you tell me about Germany's facination (a great one) with beer? Such as Oktoberfest.
applepowerpc said:I'm not sure how relevant this is to Germany, but: I've always held the opinion that the Huns were nowhere near the barbarians they've been portrayed to be. I want to know more about them, so I can back that up with qualitative information.
wildthing said:Been to Oktoberfest I alwas thought it was put on for tourist. To see how much beer one tourist could possible hold before passing out. Been there did it, and got the beer glass to show for it.
NiemandheißtBoshaftigkeit said:OK, I have been reading some books about the Celts recently and who knew that Germany was acctually the ancient homeland of the Celts (modern Welsh, Scottish, Irish, etc..)? So the 'Fatherland' is not acctually the historically geographical homeland of any Germanic Nation but a Celtic one. Also, the peoples with blonde hair and blue eyes mentioned in ancient texts in the area of modern Germany, France, Spain, and eastern Europe, were Celts. I still need to reasearch the Ostergoths, etc. but I wonder, if only the Celts had blonde hair and blue eyes, why did Hitler want them to be the 'perfect person'??? Was Hitler of Celtic ancestory or just an idiot? Did the first Scandanavian (viking, germanic, w/e) raiders have blonde hair and blue eyes?
Freodin said:The area of what is now Germany has always been a region of passing through. Celtic tribes lived there before the Germans did, but the Celts had in turn pushed away, assimilated or exterminated the previous inhabitants.
In fact, Celtic and Germanic culture and people were not that different from each other. Many of the Germanic tribes that inhabited Germany in Roman times did come from the Baltic or Scandinavian area. Others were just Celtic tribe who took on Germanic names and customs.
In regard to Hitlers faible for blue-eyed blondes: He (and the adherents of this certain type of germanic race mythology) were just idiots. There is a higher percentage of blond hair and blue eyes in germanic, scandinavian and celtic people, but this whole "Übermenschen" business was pure lunacy.
Aryans or Indogermans is not even a biological term, but a linguistical one.
Not the first, but definitly before the scandinavian germans.NiemandheißtBoshaftigkeit said:Yes, all Indo-european peoples are thought to have desended from the same peoples but I think the Celts were the first to inhabit the area that is currently east Germany.
The Celts weren´t a race of blue-eyed blondes, just as the Germans weren´t.I agree Hitler was an idiot but I do believe, from historical accounts that the Celts were basically a blue eyed blonde (the real blonde, none of that fake ****) haired. It was also mentioned they washed their hair in a lime and water solution to bleach their hair even blonder and then combed it back so it was spiked, kinda.
Freodin said:Not the first, but definitly before the scandinavian germans.
The Celts weren´t a race of blue-eyed blondes, just as the Germans weren´t.
You have also to consider that "Celts" as well as "Germans" are and were not distictinve definitions. There are some - in parts major - cultural differences between these two groups - as would be expected from people who lived from the mediteranian south to the baltic north - but the distinction comes primarily from the Romans: if they lived east of the Rhine, they were Celts, if they lived west of it, they were Germans.
According to my sources, the Celts came from the western Urnfield-Culture, so these at last would be the direct precursors. Earliest references are from the 6th century BC. So every culture in the area of Bohemia and southern Germany before ca. 800 BC would not be "celtic" in that sense.NiemandheißtBoshaftigkeit said:Have you heard of any evidence that suggest there was another peoples there before the Celts? I am asking seriously because I haven't.
The modern distinction of Celts and Germans comes from linguistics. Those who spoke a Celtic language were Celtic and those who spoke a Germanic language were Germanic. Sorry about my last post, I was referencing the Guals only and not all Celts in general. I can not find the quote concerning blue eyes again but there are many account of how they all had blonde hair and also accented that by bleching it in lime-water etc...
hemis said:How similar are the Holy Roman Empire that once ruled over Germany and the newly formed EU, which now holds some authority over Germany?
ACougar said:1. When I make an atempt to study ancient German culture and civilization I almost always wind up reading Roman accounts of German tribes or about the Northern tribes. Can you direct me to any Studies of tribes such as the Suebi, Cherusci or even Alamanni that attempt to understand how these people lived and thought prior to thier exposure to the Roman Empire?
2. Can you recomend any good books, sites or documentaries that deal specificly with the social stress that Germanic and/or Celtic peoples endured with thier exposure to the Roman Empire and eventually Christianity?
Thanks!
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