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St. Matthew 7:17-23 What is your interpretation of all these verses, verse by verse taking the whole chapter into consideration?

verse 22: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Taking the whole chapter into context, what does this mean?
If a person is saved, can that person have bad and good fruit? I know it is supposed to be all good, but what happens when there is some bad fruit mixed in with the good. What happens to the believer? Is the whole tree hewn down and cast into the fire? And further down it talks of people who do many wonderful works and prophesy in His name but He says He does not know them.
What do you make of these verses...
 

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searchingforGodlyanswers said:
St. Matthew 7:17-23 What is your interpretation of all these verses, verse by verse taking the whole chapter into consideration?

verse 22: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Taking the whole chapter into context, what does this mean?
If a person is saved, can that person have bad and good fruit? I know it is supposed to be all good, but what happens when there is some bad fruit mixed in with the good. What happens to the believer? Is the whole tree hewn down and cast into the fire? And further down it talks of people who do many wonderful works and prophesy in His name but He says He does not know them.
What do you make of these verses...

Chapter 7:13-14 refers to the straight and narrow path of life, the constricted way that few will find. VS 15-20 refer to those who are not taking the restricted narrow way rather their own particular unregulated way.

VS 22-23 Now we know that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved (Rom 10:9-13) but not everyone who calls on the Lord will take the narrow way and do the will of the Father. In fact there are those who can even do works of power (any come to mind?) but they do this not by the Father's will. They are workers of lawlessness and will suffer loss at the judgement seat of Christ. (II Cor 5:10 and I Cor 3:15)

Matthew is a book on the Kingdom of the heavens. The heavenly King and his people. Those that live by His life will be able, by His grace, to meet the high standards of the straight and narrow path.
 
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There are many warnings in the Bible concerning the end time church. It seems the end time church is focused on something other than a relationship with our Father and our Lord. The miracles stated by those in Matt 7 never were verified by Jesus. They were just stated as,”haven’t we”? Just as in Rev 3, the church was content with something other than a relationship with our Lord! As He stood at the door and knocked, they were too busy to hear. Maybe they were too concerned with their salvation and not a relation.

I too am searchingforGodlyanswers
 
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searchingforGodlyanswers said:
St. Matthew 7:17-23 What is your interpretation of all these verses, verse by verse taking the whole chapter into consideration?

verse 22: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Taking the whole chapter into context, what does this mean?
If a person is saved, can that person have bad and good fruit? I know it is supposed to be all good, but what happens when there is some bad fruit mixed in with the good. What happens to the believer? Is the whole tree hewn down and cast into the fire? And further down it talks of people who do many wonderful works and prophesy in His name but He says He does not know them.
What do you make of these verses...
When a person is born again, spiritually, they are connected to God's Holy Spirit and have Him as a comforter and guide into all truth. The old-man of the flesh which represents our life before asking God into our lives is supposed to be dead, as baptism represents, and we step into our new lives as new creatures in Christ, but there is a problem with the old nature still living in us if we let it. We have to overcome the old dead nature of sin and the flesh. God gives us this grace to overcome in the lamb of God, Jesus. and we should have as our testimony that we are fighting the good fight of faith against the works of the flesh and the devil - sin. If we continue in faith, Jesus said that He will help us overcome sin and death, but we have to try. He is never fooled or mocked, as some people play games with God and count on what they mstakenly think of as their own goodness, even as so-called Christians, to save them. It is the humble person who submits Himself to God that God will truely use.

Re 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

1Ti 6:12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Paul morned at having the old sin nature to battle but rejoiced that God had overcomed it all through Jesus. Check these verses which speak to the matter:

Romans 7:5 I don’t understand myself at all, for I really want to do what is right, but I don’t do it. Instead, I do the very thing I hate.
16 I know perfectly well that what I am doing is wrong, and my bad conscience shows that I agree that the law is good.
17 But I can’t help myself, because it is sin inside me that makes me do these evil things.
18 I know I am rotten through and through so far as my old sinful nature is concerned. No matter which way I turn, I can’t make myself do right. I want to, but I can’t.
19 When I want to do good, I don’t. And when I try not to do wrong, I do it anyway.
20 But if I am doing what I don’t want to do, I am not really the one doing it; the sin within me is doing it.
21 It seems to be a fact of life that when I want to do what is right, I inevitably do what is wrong.
22 I love God’s law with all my heart.
23 But there is another law at work within me that is at war with my mind. This law wins the fight and makes me a slave to the sin that is still within me.
24 Oh, what a miserable person I am! Who will free me from this life that is dominated by sin?
25 Thank God! The answer is in Jesus Christ our Lord. So you see how it is: In my mind I really want to obey God’s law, but because of my sinful nature I am a slave to sin.

Ga 5:16 So I advise you to live according to your new life in the Holy Spirit. Then you won’t be doing what your sinful nature craves.
17 The old sinful nature loves to do evil, which is just opposite from what the Holy Spirit wants. And the Spirit gives us desires that are opposite from what the sinful nature desires. These two forces are constantly fighting each other, and your choices are never free from this conflict.

Many will claim the Lord's name but not do any of the works that He has said we will do who belong to Him. They will be like the rich young ruler who wanted eternal life as just another possession. Do you see the Church being made merchandise of today? Are people selling Jesus and right standing with God? Yes, and this is warned of in the Bible. Following after the Lord is death to self, and a long work that takes a life time to accomplish and only then by the blood of Jesus and a heart submitted unto Him.
Just walking into a Church doesn't make one a true believer of God, nor does putting on a great show and speaking God's word make one a prophet and a godly man. It is the person who does the will of God and obeys Him for their life - not their own idea driven by pride or greed in His name. Some people are like wolves dressed in sheeps clothing who feed upon the flock.

Ac 20:29 I know full well that false teachers, like vicious wolves, will come in among you after I leave, not sparing the flock.

2Pet. 2:1 But there were also false prophets in Israel, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will cleverly teach their destructive heresies about God and even turn against their Master who bought them. Theirs will be a swift and terrible end.
2 Many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality. And because of them, Christ and his true way will be slandered.
3 In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction is on the way.
 
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Like the parable of the "Sower and the Soils" where only one of the "soils" represents an individual who is truely receptive and saved, despite early outward appearance to the contrary, so here Jesus stresses that not all that profess to be believers are Christians. In the passages immediately preceeding verse 21 Jesus specifically warns about the dangers of false prophets professing to be teaaching God's truth when their real intent is to destroy. He then suggests judging them by the fruit that they produce whether good of bad, as an indicator of their nature.

Verse 21 Jesus says something which many would like to ignore, "NOT EVERYONE WHO SAYS TO ME, 'LORD, LORD,' WILL ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. There is more to salvation than believing in Jesus or even calling Him Lord. Surrender to His Lordship is the difference.
Verse 22 "on that day" what day? The day when all unbelievers will stand before Christ in judgment, the Day of the Lord—The Great White Throne Judgment Rev. 20:11-14. Many will be surprised to find themselves at the Great White Throne Judgement thinking wrongly that they had lived their lives for Christ. Only to hear Him declare that He never knew them, "DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS."

There is no great secret to Jesus' teaching here. His intent was to be very clear and open as to His meaning.
 
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Romans 10:13
Whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Put that in the bank.
That is the pure word of God and trumps all opinions, concepts, and traditions.

The proper way to reconcile this verse with Matthew 7:21 is to drop the concept that the kingdom of the heavens in Matthew 7:21 refers to eternal salvation. Otherwise one verse or the the other has to be denied. Both must be true.

The Bible is very clear that at the judgement seat of Christ (II Cor. 5:10) some christians will "suffer loss" but be saved " yet so as through fire." (I Cor 3:15)

This is not to be confused with the Great White Throne at the end of Revelation, rather this refers to the judgement seat of Christ. When the Lord comes back we will all stand before the Lord and be judged based on what has been built on the foundation: gold, silver, and precious stones; or wood, hay, and stubble. This is straight from the Bible. (II Cor 3: 10-15)
 
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mythbuster said:
Romans 10:13
Whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Put that in the bank.
That is the pure word of God and trumps all opinions, concepts, and traditions.

The proper way to reconcile this verse with Matthew 7:21 is to drop the concept that the kingdom of the heavens in Matthew 7:21 refers to eternal salvation. Otherwise one verse or the the other has to be denied. Both must be true.

The Bible is very clear that at the judgement seat of Christ (II Cor. 5:10) some christians will "suffer loss" but be saved " yet so as through fire." (I Cor 3:15)

This is not to be confused with the Great White Throne at the end of Revelation, rather this refers to the judgement seat of Christ. When the Lord comes back we will all stand before the Lord and be judged based on what has been built on the foundation: gold, silver, and precious stones; or wood, hay, and stubble. This is straight from the Bible. (II Cor 3: 10-15)
Your rather forgetting something about thee passage in question from Matthew 7 aren't you? Like the Lord responding, "I NEVER KNEW YOU, DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS" These individuals are not only NOT saved their lives are characterized as iniquitous. If you'll check your Greek text you'll notice that the day being spoken of is written, "ekeina ta hamera" it has the definite article denoting that it is a specific day bing spoken of, and the day is the Day of the Lord—the Great White Throne Judgment.
 
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mythbuster said:
Romans 10:13
Whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Put that in the bank.
That is the pure word of God and trumps all opinions, concepts, and traditions.

Actually, it's Joel's word. Matthew 7:22 is Christ's word. Christ is directly stating that you have to do God's will to enter Heaven.

The proper way to reconcile this verse with Matthew 7:21 is to drop the concept that the kingdom of the heavens in Matthew 7:21 refers to eternal salvation. Otherwise one verse or the the other has to be denied. Both must be true.

Umm...who decided that this was the proper way to reconcile these verses?

The Bible is very clear that at the judgement seat of Christ (II Cor. 5:10) some christians will "suffer loss" but be saved " yet so as through fire." (I Cor 3:15)

Ah, you're referring to Purgatory, then. Okay, now we're on the same page.

This is not to be confused with the Great White Throne at the end of Revelation, rather this refers to the judgement seat of Christ. When the Lord comes back we will all stand before the Lord and be judged based on what has been built on the foundation: gold, silver, and precious stones; or wood, hay, and stubble. This is straight from the Bible. (II Cor 3: 10-15)

So wait a minute, then. If we shall be judged, then doesn't that mean we're not guaranteed salvation?
 
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