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With all the profuse and angry--even threatening arguing FOR the behaviour, you'd think that it WAS some of your lives!
Well considering your still here should we all assume then your whole life consists of being antimasturbation? Also angry and threatening? I donlt see any threats and not really anger more just frustration with you more then anything.
Umm yes they do please provide proof they donlt.
You provide solid proof that your spirit is free of the mark of sin when you give in to your flesh. I have already informed you of how it is a poor trade-off. You relieve one tension and add more. It is a no win situation, and when you are chalking up a further sin to your record, well, it's just not worth it.
All you did was give me a personal unsupported opinion. Though really much of this debate is really just about opinions when you think about it and that is ok just donlt assume yours is the only truth. Also it doesn;t add tension..trust me if it did I wouldn;t do it! Also you still have not shown that it is a sin. Just because YOU find it icky doesn;t mean it is sin.
Gamezilla said:I've been on both sides of this argument, and I have yet to take one side.
Sounds like your trying to use me as a way to vent your own frustrations about it. You are acting out of ignorance, my friend
If it's just about pleasure, then what are you accomplishing? Are you having that special experience with another person? Are you making a baby? If not, then what are you accomplishing? That's just my view of it.
That's what I'm trying to prove. What's the point? Other things bring pleasure. Why must you do this to bring pleasure?
floatingaxe said:No I didn't. Go back and read it. I have never even used the word "prostitution". Memory going? Going? Gone...
With all the profuse and angry--even threatening arguing FOR the behaviour, you'd think that it WAS some of your lives!
Gamezilla said:Jedi has made the same assumptions about me. This shouldn't be such a heated argument. Too many people are getting insulted.
Floatingaxe said:You provide solid proof that your spirit is free of the mark of sin when you give in to your flesh.
It is a no win situation, and when you are chalking up a further sin to your record, well, it's just not worth it.
The Holy Spirit is the one who reveals sin to a life who is sensitive to God. Not me. Sensitive followers of Christ get it. Desensitized believers don't.
Yea, it's sad that Christians must hate each other over a stupid subject like this than stand beside each other.Be nice to Floating Axe, she's a goodie. She's just standing up for what she believes in and you aren't forced to accept it.
Sometimes things get heated in forums, but we are all on the same side.
Cheers,
Digit
Wow, you seem like a extremely violent person. You need to learn how to accept others opinions and go on, Jedi. There is no reason a thread like this should separate Christians. Too much of this crap is what's wrong with our churches these days! We let petty things get in front of our walk with God, and then people get mad.I would rather gargle molten lead than stand next to the likes of her. I've had far too many run-ins with people like her to know better than to ever allow myself to be chained to one in some sort of alliance. Such suppressors of human sexuality suffocate the very freedom I hold dear - the very freedom that is ours by right. The more she points her self-righteous finger at me, the more I want to break it off.
Gamezilla said:Jedi, you have done nothing but ignorantly bash me this whole time.
You assumed that I was condemning masturbation because I spoke of my own opinion on the issue.
It's the same as someone listening to another type of music than someone else!
No, because I began to think of how stupid it was for me to sit in private and try to stimulate myself without having that loving experience with another person.
Just don't try and drag me into doing it with excuses like "It relieves stress!" and "It's healthy!".
If masturbation was a have-to-do thing, then don't you think I would realize that I HAD to do it? It is a personal decision for me not to do it, and I don't know why you must ridicule me for it.
Yea, it's sad that Christians must hate each other over a stupid subject like this than stand beside each other.
Wow, you seem like a extremely violent person. You need to learn how to accept others opinions and go on, Jedi. There is no reason a thread like this should separate Christians. Too much of this crap is what's wrong with our churches these days! We let petty things get in front of our walk with God, and then people get mad.
pleasure doesn't need a purpose? are you sure about that? let me ask you a question: is pleasure good? how can pleasure be good if it's void of meaning? are you saying that pleasure was created for the sake of pleasure? NO all things are by Him and for Him.Pleasure doesnt have to have another purpose. Thats why its pleasure. What am I accomplishing by watching a good movie? By taking a nap in the middle of the day? Simple: Im accomplishing utility: enjoyment, pleasure, feeling great. That is an end in itself worthy of accomplishment. On top of that, masturbation is also a means of stress relief, deterrent to sexual promiscuity, a means to further ones knowledge of their own sexuality, etc. What are you accomplishing? Quite a bit.
i was honestly unaware this was a debate.Though really much of this debate is really just about opinions when you think about it and that is ok just donlt assume yours is the only truth
sir, chill. and no, you don't grow tired of any babble, you're still here aren't you. are you always this arrogant acting while "defending" the truth?You have miserably failed to do so and I grow tired of your babble in a futile attempt to avoid the question.
how christlike.I would rather gargle molten lead than stand next to the likes of her. I've had far too many run-ins with people like her to know better than to ever allow myself to be chained to one in some sort of alliance. Such suppressors of human sexuality suffocate the very freedom I hold dear - the very freedom that is ours by right. The more she points her self-righteous finger at me, the more I want to break it off.
I never said anyone here was shameful for doing so. Those were my own feelings on the matter, man. I guess that people cannot have a different opinion from yours in this thread, huh? I can't say that it felt shameful to me? You mean I can't say that without you getting upset? You are the one who made this personal, man. I don't know how I ever did. I have only posted my thoughts on the matter. I never called any names, and I've tried not to insult others (unlike you). You also failed to respond to one thing I said in one of your many quotes up there. "Love is the key to sex, and without it, God's gift is just being taken for granted.". Seems like you responded to everything else, but this. I was really hoping you wouldn't avoid this. I have yet to point fingers at anyone, because if I did it would be at myself! I have suffered with the same thing, man. This whole debate has become about you. Your getting upset that others aren't doing what you love to do. Whatever, man. Like I said earlier, if you want to touch, fine with me! Just don't try and drag me along with you like are still trying to do by saying I'm just a big meanie who doesn't have his facts straight!I asked you questions – you made it personal.
And what is your opinion of the issue? That it’s sinful, perhaps? Then you have condemned masturbation, even if the only basis you have to do so is your own fickle opinion.
Not by your descriptions, suggesting those who disagree with you and participate in the thing you dislike are “shameful” among other negative descriptions. You presented it as something far more important than a mere fancy in preference.
So those who do this are… stupid? Again, your words, suggesting this is not merely a matter of preference to you.
I’m not trying to drag you anywhere – I’m merely pointing out the redeeming aspects of masturbation; aspects some people don’t want to consider. Don’t want to take part in these positive aspects? Fine by me.
No one has ever presented masturbation as a “have-to-do thing,” only that it is a “permissible-to-do thing.” I shot back at you for describing those who do it as shameful or unable to have healthy sexual relations with other people. Those are accusations worthy of a defense – don’t be shocked when one is given.
When someone wants to stand there pointing her condemning finger at others in an effort to make them feel guilty for being what they are (sexual beings), it is cause for rebellion. I will not allow such people to throw chains of guilt on people for enjoying what is theirs by right.
This divide, friend, was not drawn by me or other free men and women. It was drawn by the hostile piety condemning masturbation as sinful, likening those who do it to promiscuis people, accusing them of being selfish and dumb, incapable of distinguishing between the voice of God and Satan, and more. Divide? Oh, yes, there's a divide and its cause was the aggression of the prosecution in this matter.
Amen to this post!how christlike.
actually the self rightious aren't the ones that follow the law as a sacrifice to God and because they love christ. the selfrightious are those who parade around their own goodness and in the process destroy God's law; since the law and God are tech. the same they also create idols for themselves in the process, and place them in the place of God.
When someone wants to stand there pointing her condemning finger at others in an effort to make them feel guilty for being what they are (sexual beings), it is cause for rebellion. I will not allow such people to throw chains of guilt on people for enjoying what is theirs by right.
I agree with you. Jedi has made the same assumptions about me. This shouldn't be such a heated argument. Too many people are getting insulted.
I very much agree. This debate has taken a very ugly turn (well, uglier than it was originally), one I don't particularly care for.
I don't care which side started this sickening hostility, I just want it gone.
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