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BuddhistGuy said:My apologies, my intent was not to offend. If we can do it with Christmas, why not with Christianity?
It is also very interesting that you brush my entire belief system aside with a self-praising comment about how much you know, but you take a very small, offense-less mistake of mine and blow it up huge.
"Those who are right rarely need to get angry if they are sure of themselves. People only get impatient and angry in a debate if they are unsure of their own conviction."
sefroth77 said:A Person cannot eat meat and hope to make spiritual progress in Life, that is impossible.
sefroth77 said:Not Required to be Vegetarian ?? I don't think so,
Eldy said:Much too much to accept it as a valid religious alternative to Jesus Christ.
Oh, and it is lame for you to abbreviate Christianity the way you do. Go ahead and do what you want with the ianity part but to turn the Name of Christ into an X is out of line.
TheListener said:I know enough to say that Buddhism is not a religion but just a self-improvement club for atheists.
kit said:I was attracted to Theravada because it seemed to me to be the school most directly linked to Sidharta Gautama (the Buddha). I really do believe the other schools developed in large part to accomodate the more Northern Cultures where they have become rooted. I certainly see all schools though as being Buddhist.
Many Western Theravadins are practicing meditation as householders. In our wealthy modern age it is not just monks who can afford the time to devote to meditation. Many Western Theravadins don't have ready access to monks either. The traditional structure of the Sangha (community) is streching to accomodate a Culture without a large Buddhist Tradition.
TheListener said:I know enough to say that Buddhism is not a religion but just a self-improvement club for atheists. No offence intended to anyone.
sefroth77 said:Buddist don't believe in an external God, i know that. what i'm trying to say is Vegetarianism means closer to Reality.
And I am willing to up your ante and take your cash. On the flip side, I am betting you have no idea about me so your statement would therefore be meaningless. Pay up.Proud Hindu said:Eldy, tell me, what do you know about Buddhism, other than the fact that it is not christianity? Absolutely nothing, I'm willing to bet.
kit said:Numerous Christians have told me my religion is not a religion. I can tell you Buddhism is my religion. Buddhism has all the hallmarks of a Religion. In fact you would have a more religious experience visiting one of our temples than visiting a Protestant church. We remove our shoes, we venerate the Buddha-images and alter, we venerate our monks. We have an ethical system and our religion answers our life questions. We have a community of Monks. I can't imagine how much more religious a religion gets than that.
He is not a God. Buddhism is non-Theistic, it is NOT Atheistic. The question of a creator God as monotheism doesn't come up in Buddhism. In that aspect some would say it is agnostic. The Buddha recognized that there are divine beings. Divine beings are subject to the same nature as all compounded things. They arise, "become", degrade, and disintigrate.
Eldy said:And I am willing to up your ante and take your cash. On the flip side, I am betting you have no idea about me so your statement would therefore be meaningless. Pay up.
Ram said:I am a pure vegetarian even avoiding vegetables like onion etc, but I still disagree with this highly generalized statement. Any black-white statements about spiritual progress is the teachings of cults. Of course, meat eating is to be avoided if and when possible, but several other factors are more important than that in spiritual growth.
Bill Insgate said:Kit,
Thanks for your post regarding the eating of Meat, I do eat meat but i do not kill it myself and never would, but I do consider myself to be growing more and more spiritually as I grow older
Bill
One of the primary training rules in Buddhism is that we will not take the life of another living being. Therefore we may be limited in access to meat
The Gregorian said:For a more sarcastic post:
The idea of vegetarianism so as 'not to hurt living things' is silly. It's a fact plants are JUST as alive as any animal, and it's been proven that plants (at least the ones that were tested) do sense things such as pain... they scar just like any other living creatures, and when damaged, chemicals change throughout the organism exactly like any other creature.
Point #1: Yes... killing a cow does hurt the cow... but they suffer a quick death, and one cow can be used to provide a meal for MANY people... on the other hand a potatoe is plucked from the earth and boiled alive in a pot with multiple other potatoes before they are smashed together... One person may devour half a dozen small potatoes in a single sitting (I know I can with good gravy... mmmm....). It is much more honorable to provide a swift death to ONE creature to feed MANY people, than to boil half a dozen creatures (plants) for just one person.
Point #2: People say you shouldn't eat cows because they're not treated right... trapped in a tiny little pasture, then killed... But I'm from a town with many fields, and many apple orchards. Cows often have MILES to roam around... their entire life is lived in a protected environment where they don't have to do a day's work, surrounded by many friends... they're well fed, well taken care of, and very well treated then they're given a swift, and generally painless death.
Apple trees, on the other hand are packed in so tight you can barely see through three rows. They're roots are smashed and twisted together, given only enough room to barely survive. While a cow gets an instant death, the tree gets parts hacked off and ripped off every year to prune the tree... before it's unborn babies are ripe, they're ripped off the mother tree and consumed while the baby(apple) is still alive. This constant torcher goes on for only a few years before sexual maturity passes it's peak, then the poor creatures are ripped out of the ground and dumped into a large pile, then burnt while they're still alive.
Cows are treated MUCH better than apple trees (note: I lived directly across the street from a large apple orchard for a few years, I've seen the piles of coarpses... it sickened me.)
Last point: people need protein and fat. True, you can stack partial proteins together, and if you try very hard, a solely vegetarian diet CAN sustain you, but biologically, humans were designed (or have evolved, depending on your belief) to eat meat. Protein aside, omega fats found in seafood is ESSENTIAL for a human's brain development and health... how are you supposed to get 'fish fat' out of plants?
My point is: If you don't like meat... don't eat it... but it's NOT morally wrong to eat meat... any more wrong than it is to eat other living creatures (plants), any way. We need to eat to survive, just like everyone else, it's a fact of nature.
You are one that will NEVER get a positive response from me. I thought I made that perfectly clear in my p.m.Proud Hindu said:Why don't you stop talking trash and tell me what you know about Buddhism?
Well, according to one on this board we can go a full year without eating so would it then be okay to have a burger for your yearly meal?sefroth77 said:When there is enough grains,fruits and vegetables why kill a animal to eat ?? Meat eating for survival is ok, but not for enjoyment. A person needs to eat to survive, there are plenty of vegetation to eat(for survival) why kill animals then ?
Yes Plants are also living, but because you need to eat, it is not a sinful act to eat it.
sefroth77 said:Yes you are right on this, But how can a person eats all those ducks,Chickens,Goats and still make spiritual progress ? I don't think so. Yes there are other factors too but avoidance of Meat remains the Basic principles to strive for higher spiritual progress.
What is this "reality" that you mention? Don't say that its because we have sharp front teeth because so do Gorillas, who are vegetarian!!z3ro said:Um, reality says we're omnivorous, and that we eat both meat and plants to survive.
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