What do y’all think about Yi qi a feathered dinosaur with batlike wings

Brightmoon · Jun 9, 2020

How do you know that this wasn’t just the nit pickers writing stuff down . There is historical evidence for that happening. Anyone who studies the history of the Bible can tell you that it’s been edited over the centuries.

That’s one of the reasons why I don’t always accept the-Bible-sez as a valid argument. I’m inclined to look at the totality of the behavior

Tone · Jun 9, 2020

Brightmoon said:
How do you know that this wasn’t just the nit pickers writing stuff down . There is historical evidence for that happening. Anyone who studies the history of the Bible can tell you that it’s been edited over the centuries.

That’s one of the reasons why I don’t always accept the-Bible-sez as a valid argument. I’m inclined to look at the totality of the behavior

The concept of clean/unclean animals is woven throughout Scripture from Genesis to Revelation, so not likely that all accounts of it are edits...there would be too great a scar on the context.

Have you looked into the scientific side of the Biblical diet?

Tone · Jun 9, 2020

Tone said:
Have you looked into the scientific side of the Biblical diet?

This guy has a lot of interesting stuff to say on it:

Walter Veith - Wikipedia

Brightmoon · Jun 9, 2020

Tone said:
The concept of clean/unclean animals is woven throughout Scripture from Genesis to Revelation, so not likely that all accounts of it are edits...there would be to great a scar on the context.

Have you looked into the scientific side of the Biblical diet?

not really , I’m inclined to think that predators wouldn’t taste good but I know that’s not always true either. I’m also not much for fad diets . I’d try anything edible ( except canned peas ugh) and non toxic ( I ain’t gonna try fugu and don’t care if it’s good)

Tone · Jun 9, 2020

Check this too:

*Just give it 10 minutes.

Brightmoon · Jun 9, 2020

Um don’t eat shellfish in months that don’t have a R in them . That’s the only fad I follow but thats because in the warmer months May June July and August they might be carrying toxic red tide algae

FrumiousBandersnatch · Jun 9, 2020

Tone said:
There must be something to the identifiers that the Creator revealed. He gave this diet, as the Creator of human bodies, because He knows what is healthiest for them.

It could be that the unclean animals aren't necessarily poisonous to the human body, but that they are not the optimal source for necessary nutrients.

I suppose if you start with the assumption that the 'unclean' list must be unhealthy, you need to think of ways to support that assumption ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

A rational approach would be to test the assumption first.

Tone · Jun 9, 2020

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
I suppose if you start with the assumption that the 'unclean' list must be unhealthy, you need to think of ways to support that assumption ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

A rational approach would be to test the assumption first.

This is what this:

Is all about!

Brightmoon · Jun 9, 2020

So he did chemical tests to determine whether or not the Potential food was safe to eat? I didn’t watch as I’ve learned over the years that a lot of creationists are pretty ignorant of science and I’m getting a lower tolerance for bs as I get older

Tone · Jun 9, 2020

Brightmoon said:
So he did chemical tests to determine whether or not the Potential food was safe to eat? I didn’t watch as I’ve learned over the years that a lot of creationists are pretty ignorant of science and I’m getting a lower tolerance for bs as I get older

Hmmmm...that's unfortunate. He's a zoologist, so he explains why the animals might be considered clean/unclean according to their anatomy and eating habits.

You should give the vid. at least 15 minutes. Why would you discount someone with these credentials:

"Veith was professor of the zoology department at the University of Cape Town and taught in the medical bioscience department. During this time, the department was awarded a Royal Society London grant for zoological research.[1]"
Walter Veith - Wikipedia

???

Brightmoon · Jun 9, 2020

Tone said:
Hmmmm...that's unfortunate. He's a zoologist, so he explains why the animals might be considered clean/unclean according to their anatomy and eating habits.

You should give the vid. at least 15 minutes. Why would you discount someone with these credentials:

"Veith was professor of the zoology department at the University of Cape Town and taught in the medical bioscience department. During this time, the department was awarded a Royal Society London grant for zoological research.[1]"
Walter Veith - Wikipedia

???

some creationists have legitimate science degrees and then they’ll turn around and still lie about science

Tone · Jun 9, 2020

Brightmoon said:
some creationists have legitimate science degrees and then they’ll turn around and still lie about science

Or just not accept the same frameworks you have.

Brightmoon · Jun 9, 2020

No they’re lying. They’ve been corrected many many many times and they still repeat the same bs lies .I've seen this repeatedly since the 1990s Modern YEC creationism has only been around since the 1960s . 19th century creationists accepted an old earth .

Tone · Jun 9, 2020

Brightmoon said:
No they’re lying

I've heard this before, but never got into science that much to research both sides for myself. It's not really a salvific issue for me, but I think it can effect eschatological views, and such.

FrumiousBandersnatch · Jun 10, 2020

Tone said:
This is what this:

Is all about!

So if the health tests for unclean foods have been done, why were you asking about those birds earlier?

FrumiousBandersnatch · Jun 10, 2020

Tone said:
Hmmmm...that's unfortunate. He's a zoologist, so he explains why the animals might be considered clean/unclean according to their anatomy and eating habits.

You should give the vid. at least 15 minutes. Why would you discount someone with these credentials:

"Veith was professor of the zoology department at the University of Cape Town and taught in the medical bioscience department. During this time, the department was awarded a Royal Society London grant for zoological research.[1]"
Walter Veith - Wikipedia

???

Why not just give the relevant points from the video, or point us to the relevant moments in the video - an hour about unclean animals isn't that enticing...

Brightmoon · Jun 10, 2020

Tone said:
I've heard this before, but never got into science that much to research both sides for myself. It's not really a salvific issue for me, but I think it can effect eschatological views, and such.

so how can you tell that they’re lying or not if you’re ignorant on the subject? You see I’ve got a science degree so I’m not in the same position and I CAN determine whether or not a creationist is telling the truth about most natural phenomena .

Ophiolite · Jun 10, 2020

Tone said:
Cool illustrations!

You may like the following book, which contains many such illustrations:

Feathered Dinosaurs: The Origin of Birds by John Long & Peter Schouten Oxford University Press 2008 ISBN: 978-0-19-537266-3

Brightmoon · Jun 10, 2020

I forgot about hoatzins they have digits with claws on their wings as juveniles . They use them to climb around the nesting tree

Tanj · Jun 12, 2020

Brightmoon said:
It’s a theropod dinosaur with feathered bat like wings . The strut holding the featherless skin is made of mainly cartilage and it’s a sort of wrist” bone”

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