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What do we do with North Korea?

What should we do with North Korea?

  • Nuke them into the stone age.

    Votes: 1 5.0%
  • Surge military strikes to show we mean business.

    Votes: 2 10.0%
  • Assassinate the Dear Leader.

    Votes: 3 15.0%
  • Negotiation and Sanctions, living with the best deal we can reach.

    Votes: 14 70.0%

  • Total voters
    20
  • Poll closed .

doubtingmerle

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Ladies and Gentlemen, we are in a hostage situation. Kim Jong-On has basically held South Korea, Japan, and American interests in Asia hostage. The first rule of hostage negotiation is to calm the situation down, to prevent things from escalating, to establish communication with the hope of getting the hostage taker to back down. That is what we should do.

Instead we have a madman as our leader engaging in a shouting match with North Korea. It is as though there are two men with guns yelling at each other to shutup or I will shoot. That is not likely to have a happy ending. Neither can back down from the shouting match and save face. Eventually, one or the other is like to decide that a confrontation is inevitable, and that the best chance is to take the first shot.

There are no good options. In the link below, 4 options are presented with the problems with each.
Must We Accept a Nuclear North Korea?


1. Nuke them into the stone age: Retaliation is still likely. Unleashes an enormous humanitarian crisis, and America loses all goodwill abroad.
2. Surgical strikes: Substantial retaliation very likely.
3. Assassination: You can't kill them all. Whoever is left is likely to lead a massive retaliation.
4. Negotiation and Sanctions, living with the best arrangement we can get: Not what we want, but probably the most humane.

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Edits to the OP:

1. By the way, the second optional was meant to be "Surgical strike". I accidentally hit the send button before I proofread the survey, and there is no way to change it now. Sorry about that.

2. For an evaluation of the current North Korean military capacity, see
2017 North Korea Military Strength
 
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I suggest a pot luck supper every week.
Ask him to begin tourism efforts.
Invite him here to spend time and visit.
Treat him as an honored guest.

Some people are simple minded and just want attention.
Not feeling respected, he is building his own version of respect.
 
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I couldn't vote, because there was no option for the only sensible solution: leave the poor nation alone. DPR of Korea has been under war, economic siege and informational demonization for 67 years. It's a good, powerful and united nation that withstood hardships of the outside aggression like no other country on earth. They are the star of our civilization. The USA will try it's best, but it will never defeat DPRK, because David of DPRK is much smarter and able than Goliath of USA.
 
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I think we should ONLY nuke North Korea if they launch a nuclear weapon first. I think the best plan is to wait for North Korean government to collapse and let it reunite with South Korea.

There isn't a perfect solution, but not angering North Korea is the best one, I think.

1. Nuke them into the stone age:

North Korea is already living in the stone age.
 
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How do we know that the fake-news media is sharing accurate information regarding the situation?
I wouldn't trust the fake news media.

But the mainstream media is quite different. They use multiple sources, and they are available to hold each other accountable if they don't publish the truth.
 
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Korea will not re-unify unless it is under a communist government. China won't allow it, and shouldn't IMHO.

 
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Problem is any action taking at all outside of sanctions will result in them firing missiles at countries. Killing him means his generals shoot us. Nuking him means he may have time to nuke others. A surgical strike is probably the best bet since we can take out the missile sites we know of in the moutains, but it means there may be sites we don't know about that can launch missiles right away. For now all we can really do is have sanctions.

Some people say nukes and missiles are terrible because innocent people will die and starve to death too. I mean I get it but people are already starving to death there and being killed on a regular basis. Some times you have to kill many to save WAY more. As with the bombs we dropped on japan. Killed 200k or so, but it meant we saved millions upon millions from dying in a drawn out war in their country.

Nuclear war though with NK has the side effect of radiation moving in the jetstream and affecting other countries. So that option is totally out. I say we sanctions first, then surgical strikes as the next option. After that not sure what to do. We could drop very small nukes, ones that are VERY small compared to the ones dropped on Japan. But not sure if we would do that or not.

I have heard alot of countries hating us because we shouldn't start a war with NK. But they don't seem to understand the situation. If a mad man has a fun pointed at a cop and is threatening to shoot him you best believe other cops will show up with guns drawn and likely shoot the mad man. Its exactly the situation that we are in. Kims got his targets lined up and is threatening to push the button. Heck hes already launched some "test" ones to see just how far he could push it. So of course we and other countries will respond with actions back.

No one in america wants a war, we hate being the world police. But its a situation where we don't really have a choice. South Korea, Japan and other countries have a WAY bigger chance of being blown up without our help. We have to back them up and prevent as little casualties as possible of our allies. Even CHina whos not really our friend says we need all need to take out NK.
 
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There isn't a perfect solution, but not angering North Korea is the best one, I think.

I agree.

But our president is not good at hostage negotiation. He is likely to lead us to a situation where someone will surely strike first.
 
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I answered none of the above.

Trump is handling the situation correctly.

It's actually up to North Korea how it will all play out, we are not going to attack first.

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Forget the media. Just listen to the words of Trump and his appointees.
I've listened to the words of Trump. That is why I say he is not a good hostage negotiator. His words are not the words that a rational hostage negotiator would use in this situation.

His words condemn him. I don't need the media to tell me he is wrong. I can hear it for myself. His words are wrong.
 
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I answered none of the above.

Trump is handling the situation correctly.

It's actually up to North Korea how it will all play out, we are not going to attack first.

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DPRK also will never attack first. It's only priority is to survive. People understand nothing.
 
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I answered none of the above.

Trump is handling the situation correctly.

It's actually up to North Korea how it will all play out, we are not going to attack first.

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Interesting. Kim Jong-On is an irrational man with irrational followers. In what way does Trump's talk in any way make it less likely Kim will attack? I would think Trump's words make a Korean first strike more likely.
 
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Or we could surrender the USA to North Korea.
Allow Kim Jong Un to become the USA's new leader.
Give up the Western way of life.
Bow down to any other wish of that communist country that enslaves its people.

Some people will never be satisfied with power and will always want more.
Never being satisfied, even though he rules a nation, won't be happy until he rules the world.
 
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DPRK also will never attack first. It's only priority is to survive. People understand nothing.
I don't know. We are dealing with an irrational NK leader.

When two angry men with guns get into a shouting match, it can have an unhappy ending. There is no easy way for either to back down while saving face. The first rule of hostage negotiation is to calm the situation and give the perpetrator space to back down while saving face. Trump is not doing that.
 
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Or we could surrender the USA to North Korea.
Allow Kim Jong Un to become the USA's new leader.
Give up the Western way of life.
Bow down to any other wish of that communist country that enslaves its people.

... or nuke the earth and move to Mars? Why even suggest things that nobody wants?
Some people will never be satisfied with power and will always want more.
Never being satisfied, even though he rules a nation, won't be happy until he rules the world.
And what is the solution? Nukes, surgical strike, assassination, or negotiations and sanctions?
 
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... or nuke the earth and move to Mars? Why even suggest things that nobody wants?
Some people will never be satisfied with power and will always want more.
Never being satisfied, even though he rules a nation, won't be happy until he rules the world.[/QUOTE]
And what is the solution? Nukes, surgical strike, assassination, or negotiations and sanctions?[/QUOTE]

I was simply responding to what SkyWriting said because he always says that if we just follow the Golden Rule, then we've done everything we're supposed to do. However, just giving someone whatever they want just because that might be what we'd want someone to do for us doesn't mean that we're to give in to evil. If someone wants to nuke us, then the Golden Rule is hardly the answer. Otherwise, we'd simply have to surrender.

As far as "The Solution", I can't say. Perhaps a covert operation that takes out the leadership while at the same time taking control of the military, or at least the missile launch sites in order to prevent a retaliation. Beyond that, I don't see how any military action from us that's preemtive wouldn't result in retaliation--either nuclear against us and other countries, or a conventional attack against South Korea.
 
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