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It's obviously a place, and it's not heaven or hell, so what is it if it's not a parallel or alternate universe?Hell is not parallel though.
Hell only exists in the dark, where the light of God does not shine.
Turn on the Light, and the Dark is wiped out.
There is no battle or anything equal.
I was going to say all this technical talk about scientists describing multiverses, parallel universes and other dimensions and yet many cant except the possibility of God and the possibility of his power and dimension. When someone talks about the many possibilities of the quantum world and how particles pop in and out of existence and can be in many places at the same time. How in quantum tunneling particles which can also be waves can pass through a solid object. This reminds me of when Jesus walked through walls and how God can be in more than one place at a time. Maybe God is also the God of the quantum world and the possibilities we see in quantum world is just an insight into the power of God.The Bible clearly describes parallel or alternate universes. Surely you've heard of Heaven and Hell.
Physicists often claim that there are multiverses or parallel universes. Some claim that there are an unimaginably large number of these universes (or even an infinite number).
I'm interested in how Christians should approach the idea of other universes. The idea seems completely incompatible with Christianity.
stevevw said:I was going to say all this technical talk about scientists describing multiverses, parallel universes and other dimensions and yet many cant except the possibility of God and the possibility of his power and dimension. (snip)
Maybe God is also the God of the quantum world and the possibilities we see in quantum world is just an insight into the power of God.
I agree with you. However, as you offer no explanation, I have to ask, "WHY do you think so?"Inkfingers said:No such thing as multiple universes.
Physicists often claim that there are multiverses or parallel universes. Some claim that there are an unimaginably large number of these universes (or even an infinite number).
I'm interested in how Christians should approach the idea of other universes. The idea seems completely incompatible with Christianity.
Pretty solid argument there. A completely speculative hypothesis may be grounds for further investigation, but in order to qualify as a 'theory' in the tradition of the "scientific method", a theory must be testable and potentially 'falsifiable'.BukiRob said:Purely speculative theoretical things that we have no way of providing even circumstantial evidence of existence.
I quibble with this statement. Mathematical models are 'evidence' (indications of validity) but not 'proof' (absolute convincing information).BukiRob said:And no mathematical models dont qualify as "evidence"
Hell is the single most mistranslated word in the Bible. Sadly, because of this the word Hell has taken on a life of its own (Pun intended)It's obviously a place, and it's not heaven or hell, so what is it if it's not a parallel or alternate universe?
I've never heard anyone suggest one of the alternate universes is Hell.BukiRob said:Hell is the single most mistranslated word in the Bible.
There is no surprise being expressed about the difference between how atheistic physicists view the universe and how the Bible describes it. One problem with the parallel universe idea is that of all possible ramifications of an event must occur in all these universes by default. Example, there is a universe where Judas did not betray Jesus, where Jesus was not crucified, where Adam did not sin and where neither Adam nor Jesus were ever born. So, yes, that is totally incompatible with the biblical viewpoint which stipulates one all-pervasive reality within which Almighty God is supreme and has everything under his total control.Incommensurable may be a better word that incompatible. The Christian theological tradition began very far removed from contemporary physics so one shouldn't be surprised of this.
Physicists often claim that there are multiverses or parallel universes. Some claim that there are an unimaginably large number of these universes (or even an infinite number).
I'm interested in how Christians should approach the idea of other universes. The idea seems completely incompatible with Christianity.
Why don't we examine some of the references to Gehenna in the new testament. Are these quotes all simply figurative? Mathew has many references to hell (Gehenna.) Are the following referring to the "the valley of the sons of Hinnom" literally or figuratively.Hell is the single most mistranslated word in the Bible. Sadly, because of this the word Hell has taken on a life of its own (Pun intended)
The word translated as hell in the Greek (NT) are Hades, Tartarus and Gehenna in Hebrew(OT) the word translated hell is Sheol.
In Hebrew Sheol is the GRAVE. Hades is the Greek equivalent. Tartarus is found only 1 time and its referenced by Peter as the place where the fallen angels were restrained until the day of judgment. Which leaves Gehenna and it
takes its name from a valley located in Jerusalem called the Valley of Hinnom. During Jesus’s time on earth, this valley was used as the city dump. A fire was constantly kept alight there to burn up and consume all of the city’s unwanted rubbish.
What is particularly interesting is how many times these words are translated as hell. Sheol is translated as Hell 65 times in Latin Vulgate the OT but that world CLEARLY means GRAVE. Hades is translated 11 times as Hell and that also clearly means Grave.
Who said that alternate universes are hell? I suggested that the places we call heaven and hell or alternate universe.I've never heard anyone suggest one of the alternate universes is Hell.
I've never heard anyone suggest one of the alternate universes is Hell.
Why don't we examine some of the references to Gehenna in the new testament. Are these quotes all simply figurative? Mathew has many references to hell (Gehenna.) Are the following referring to the "the valley of the sons of Hinnom" literally or figuratively.
here's one reference, Mathew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.(Gehenna.)
Do you think that we're being warned of literally being thrown into the valley of the sons of Hinnom, or is this descriptive terminology of some other place? Gehenna in the literal translation the valley of the sons of Hinnom is not a place where your soul dies. Apparently, the reference is to some place other than the literal valley.
There are many more references to a place translated from Gehenna as hell, and they don't reference the litteral the valley of the sons of Hinnom.
Mathew and Mark both refer to Hell (Gehenna) as a place where the fire never goes out.
Be these and the other references, hell (Gehenna) is not the valley of the sons of Hinnom, nor is it an earthly place. It's not likely another planet, it's most likely different plane of existence, an alternate universe.
No such thing as multiple universes.
Put it this way, you have Universe 1 over here and Universe 2 over there. What keeps them apart and how is it that uni 1, uni 2, and the dividing something that keeps them apart, are not all just all part of a single universe that turns out to be bigger than we thought?
If the "dividing something" is merely space, that would mean it should be physically possible to see it and perhaps even travel to it.
My point is that there cannot be more than one universe, as for there to be more than one there would have to be a gap between them...and that gap would have to be filled with something real which interacted fully with both universe 1 and universe 2. Which would mean they were all actually 1 single universe which someone has arbitrarily called 2 different universes.
If you see what I mean.
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