What do Christians, Muslims....

[weybourne1]

What do the followers of the 3 Abrahamic faiths believe happens to people who had never heard of Jesus, Mohammed, Abraham, etc. when they die?

I.e. If a Christian believes that the ONLY way to salvation is through Jesus, what happens to people who were born, lived, and die without ever knowing about Jesus? Same goes for Muslims...

Very curious to know

Thanks for your time and honesty

 

[roflcopter101]

I believe they go to Mobil Avenue.

 

[b&wpac4]

What do the followers of the 3 Abrahamic faiths believe happens to people who had never heard of Jesus, Mohammed, Abraham, etc. when they die?

I.e. If a Christian believes that the ONLY way to salvation is through Jesus, what happens to people who were born, lived, and die without ever knowing about Jesus? Same goes for Muslims...

Very curious to know

Thanks for your time and honesty

Well, since you said three, I assume you are including Judaism in there. Jews don't believe the only way to salvation is through being a Jew. There are varying beliefs as to what the afterlife will be, but in general, there is nothing to be "saved" from, so there's no need for someone to be saved by being a Jew. In fact, many believe that being a Jew actually makes it harder because you put yourself under the law, which is one of the reasons they don't actively try to convert people.

 

[007Michael]

Those whom never knew about Jesus will go to hell together with the ones whom have heard of the name Jesus but never believed. Why? Simply because a sinner's guilt can not be forgiven by not knowing about Jesus. Only by believing in Jesus.

 

[b&wpac4]

Those whom never knew about Jesus will go to hell together with the ones whom have heard of the name Jesus but never believed. Why? Simply because a sinner's guilt can not be forgiven by not knowing about Jesus. Only by believing in Jesus.

For my own curiosity, what do you believe happened to people that lived before Jesus died or for those that lived far away from where he died and would not have received the Gospel before death. Places like China or North America?

 

[MoonLancer]

Those whom never knew about Jesus will go to hell together with the ones whom have heard of the name Jesus but never believed. Why? Simply because a sinner's guilt can not be forgiven by not knowing about Jesus. Only by believing in Jesus.

exactly one second after Jesus does his thing, an old American Indian chief dies. Does he go to hell?

Think about the problems with god if he does.

 

[Hypothetical]

I've always found it interesting how people’s choice of religion correlates more to geography than nearly any other variable.

 

[jayem]

If I were to believe in God, the only soteriologic doctrine that would make sense to me is predetermination. God decides who will and won't be saved. God has decided some will be saved through belief in Jesus, but God also can save others who don't have the ability or opportunity to be Christian believers. If God is truly sovereign and omnipotent, he can't be put in a box. Even if traditional Bible teaching suggests one thing, God can do anything. It's not orthodox Christianity (or at least not orthodox Evangelical Christianity) but it makes more logical sense.

 

[LittleNipper]

What do the followers of the 3 Abrahamic faiths believe happens to people who had never heard of Jesus, Mohammed, Abraham, etc. when they die?

I.e. If a Christian believes that the ONLY way to salvation is through Jesus, what happens to people who were born, lived, and die without ever knowing about Jesus? Same goes for Muslims...

Very curious to know

Thanks for your time and honesty

As a Christian, I believe that GOD reveals HIMSELF to whomever is interested. I do believe all babies go to heaven if they die, as do small children who have made no consious determination with regads to GOD.

The reality is that GOD will reveal HIMSELF to anyone interested, but some are only interested in traditions which have evolved in their culture. They really do not apply themselves.

In the end GOD HIMSELF knows, understands and makes HIS determination based on HIS perfect understanding of everything ---- including each individual's heart.

 

[Supernaut]

As a Christian, I believe that GOD reveals HIMSELF to whomever is interested. I do believe all babies go to heaven if they die, as do small children who have made no consious determination with regads to GOD.

The reality is that GOD will reveal HIMSELF to anyone interested, but some are only interested in traditions which have evolved in their culture. They really do not apply themselves.

In the end GOD HIMSELF knows, understands and makes HIS determination based on HIS perfect understanding of everything ---- including each individual's heart.

Exactly, though I am in awe that I am agreeing with you Nip.

 

[Supernaut]

Those whom never knew about Jesus will go to hell together with the ones whom have heard of the name Jesus but never believed. Why? Simply because a sinner's guilt can not be forgiven by not knowing about Jesus. Only by believing in Jesus.

That sounds absurd and unChristian. God looks into the hearts of all men and women and knows their hearts. On that basis, He judges.

 

[Zaac]

That sounds absurd and unChristian. God looks into the hearts of all men and women and knows their hearts. On that basis, He judges.

You continue to espouse unBiblical doctrine.

Biblically speaking what Michael says is absolutely correct. God does look at the heart and in looking at the heart He knows who has chosen to reject the revelation that He has given about Himself. And those who do not come by way of Jesus Christ or the foretols Jesus Christ will spend eternity in the Lake of Fire.

 

[b&wpac4]

You continue to espouse unBiblical doctrine.

Biblically speaking what Michael says is absolutely correct. God does look at the heart and in looking at the heart He knows who has chosen to reject the revelation that He has given about Himself. And those who do not come by way of Jesus Christ or the foretols Jesus Christ will spend eternity in the Lake of Fire.

care to answer my question then?

 

[keith99]

I am not a believer. But I will go with the thoughst of educated Christians on this over those I no not on some internet site.

I like the statement of C.S. Lewis on this. Scripture only tells Gods provision for those who have access to it, it makes no comment oh His provision for those in other circumstances.

BTW one thing scripture makes very very clear is that simply believing in Jesus is not a ticket to Heaven. Do not deamons believe and tremble?

 

[Supernaut]

You continue to espouse unBiblical doctrine.

Biblically speaking what Michael says is absolutely correct. God does look at the heart and in looking at the heart He knows who has chosen to reject the revelation that He has given about Himself. And those who do not come by way of Jesus Christ or the foretols Jesus Christ will spend eternity in the Lake of Fire.

With all due respect Zaac, if you cannot grasp the truth of hell and all that "eternal fire" garbage, I wouldn't expect you to grasp much else outside of the Fundie teachings.

If a person lived so isolated that they had never heard of Christ or salvation, you think he is incapable of looking at their hearts and deciphering what the decision would be? He could ressurect them in to the millenial kingdom perhaps so that they can make their actual choice. Would that be beneath Him to do?

 

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[Bro_Sam]

What do the followers of the 3 Abrahamic faiths believe happens to people who had never heard of Jesus, Mohammed, Abraham, etc. when they die?

I.e. If a Christian believes that the ONLY way to salvation is through Jesus, what happens to people who were born, lived, and die without ever knowing about Jesus? Same goes for Muslims...

Very curious to know

Thanks for your time and honesty

The book of Romans tells us that God has given all men two witnesses: the external witness of creation so that we may know that there is a God, and the internal witness of the conscience so that we may know that we've broken God's laws.

Because God has given these two witnesses to all men, He states that no man will be able to claim they didn't know God.

As a man responds to these two witnesses, the Bible tells us God will give them more of the Gospel. And how they respond determines whether or not they can be saved.

But the question is really a dodge. The question shouldn't be what about those who have never heard, but what about Weybourne, who has heard.

 

[weybourne1]

The book of Romans tells us that God has given all men two witnesses: the external witness of creation so that we may know that there is a God, and the internal witness of the conscience so that we may know that we've broken God's laws.

Because God has given these two witnesses to all men, He states that no man will be able to claim they didn't know God.

As a man responds to these two witnesses, the Bible tells us God will give them more of the Gospel. And how they respond determines whether or not they can be saved.

But the question is really a dodge. The question shouldn't be what about those who have never heard, but what about Weybourne, who has heard.

To clarify, what do you mean by the external witness of creation?

Do you believe that animals demonstrate moral behaviour?

But what about Jesus? I can see your point about god having given man the necessary tools (although I can't say I agree, I can respect that answer), but what I'm asking about is specifically Jesus' role in someone going to heaven. If you lived in a remote part of the world and never heard of Jesus, can you still go to heaven?

Not sure how the question is a dodge, it was an honest question.

And to answer your question about myself, I spent 27 years as a practicing Christian, full-on believer, completely convinced that Christianity was valid and correct, and now I know too much to ever go back.

 

[Bro_Sam]

To clarify, what do you mean by the external witness of creation?

I mean that thinking people look at the universe and see that it is ordered and know that an ordered universe is indicative of design and that design requires a designer.

But what about Jesus? I can see your point about god having given man the necessary tools (although I can't say I agree, I can respect that answer), but what I'm asking about is specifically Jesus' role in someone going to heaven. If you lived in a remote part of the world and never heard of Jesus, can you still go to heaven?

I just answered this question. This seems to be a very popular tactic among atheists.

And to answer your question about myself, I spent 27 years as a practicing Christian, full-on believer, completely convinced that Christianity was valid and correct, and now I know too much to ever go back.

Then I guess there's no need to point out what 1 John 2:19 says.

 

[Van]

What ever happened to the rule about only one non-Christian posting on a thread?

Question, if a person dies in unbelief, what happens? Answer: John 3:18, if a person dies in unbelief they are judged already. Everyone whose name is not found in the Lamb's book of life is thrown into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:15)

Now Christianity is split as to what happens to those who are tossed in to the lake of fire. Universalists say after the fire "purges" the individuals, they pop up and go to be with Jesus. Solves a lot of issues like what happens to aborted babies, but there is no actual support in scripture for the viewpoint. Next we have the "Eternal torment" crowd, that say everyone suffers for eternity but a segment of this crowd, has an escape clause that says Jesus gives innocents faith (a form of Calvinist irresistible grace) so they get written into the book and do not get tossed. No support for this view either.

What about the moral guy in someplace without the gospel? There are judged (John 3:18) by what they know and so if they treat others differently than they treat themselves, they are piling up wrath. Everyone has fallen short of the glory of God.
See Romans 2.