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What Do Calvinists have to Say about Cornelius?

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DeaconDean

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Showing once again, that you have not studied.

Who was Paul?

Saul, later called Paul was a Pharisee. Matter of fact, Paul was a Pharisee.

"Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;" -Phil. 3:5

Paul knew the Law better than anybody except the Lord who wrote it.

"I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day." -Acts 22:3

Paul was not ignorant!


Again, you have not studied much.

Did you know that in the Old Testament, there were provisions for sins committed out of ignorance?

Check out Lev. 4:2.

Here's where Calvinists don't quite get it. What being saved really means spiritually is to have their consciences relieved of guilt and their sin natures changed by the Spirit to having the nature of God in them.

I could jump all over this, but where do I begin?

Have you been so expunged of sin by the Christ event that you cannot sin or have fully had your sin nature eradicated?

Shows you don't understand Calvinism, and it shows that you don't know Romans either.

Paul still sinned after the point of salvation, so did Peter. And these men, Peter saw God with his very own eyes, and Paul, heard Him with their own ears.

Yes, they had a new nature implanted in them. But it does not change the fact that our old man is still with us.

It is said:


Something else Baptists said over 200 years ago:


philadelphia confession-chapter 13

That is Paul's message.

Our hearts must be changed, and the spirit renewed.

"Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me." -Psa. 51:10

And even though this has happened, it does not mean we won't sin, either willingly or out of ignorance.

I was saved in 1974. But I still to this day fight with sin that still indwells me.

That is Paul's message in Romans 7.

Donald Grey Barnhouse sums it up like this:


Romans, Volume III, God's Freedom, Chapter XVIII, Paul Delivered from Sin, A Regenerate Man Speaking, Wm. B. Erdmans Publishing Company, Grand Rapids, Mi. Copyright 1961, p. 239

Sorry once again.

God Bless

Till all are one.

You don't know what Calvinism actually teaches do you?
 
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John L. Dagg, one of the very first Southern Baptist theologian, wrote in his work "Manual of Theology":


manual of theology dagg-book 2 chapter 2

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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Showing once again, that you have not studied.

Who was Paul?

Saul, later called Paul was a Pharisee. Matter of fact, Paul was a Pharisee.
Ha-ha! It is you that is short of studying! Saul was "without the law" as a child, just as he said. You? Saul sinned against the law and, guess what. Saul was saved under the OT covenant! All the way through Ro 7:25, he describes that life. With his mind/spirit, serving the law of God but with his body serving sin and death! I mean .. you have messed this up so much I don't know if you will be able to receive the truth.

Again, you have not studied much.

Did you know that in the Old Testament, there were provisions for sins committed out of ignorance?
Sure! Thanks for documenting it it for us. He shall, after the fact, or course, bring his sacrifice! Do you not think that that is what Saul did?

Have you been so expunged of sin by the Christ event that you cannot sin or have fully had your sin nature eradicated?
Replaced, yes. Whereas I desired to sin .. I desire it no more. My entire character has been changed to try to conform the the image of Christ.

Shows you don't understand Calvinism, and it shows that you don't know Romans either.
Interestingly, Calvinism is "Romans intensive" .. and Galations, Ephesians, and Colosians. They don't care too much about the gospels or the rest of the NT. I would advise you, don't make assumptions that you cannot prove.

Paul still sinned after the point of salvation, so did Peter. And these men, Peter saw God with his very own eyes, and Paul, heard Him with their own ears.
Duh.. do you have any real "news" for me?

Yes, they had a new nature implanted in them. But it does not change the fact that our old man is still with us.
Yes, you are perfectly describing my teaching that the Spirit in our soul/conscience coexists with our spirit in our mind. IOW, the mind can be tempted by sin but the soul/conscience, which is the Spirit, cannot.

Our hearts must be changed, and the spirit renewed.

"Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me." -Psa. 51:10
Fantastic! You can quote scriptures that you don't understand! A "clean heart" is a will submitted to God. A "right spirit" is right thinking about God and His Word. Don't suppose you have done so, though. You're still enamored with Calvinism, aren't you.

And even though this has happened, it does not mean we won't sin, either willingly or out of ignorance.
But let me ask you .. does the Spirit in you sin???

I was saved in 1974. But I still to this day fight with sin that still indwells me.
You know what the best thing you can do is? Submit to the "law of the Spirit of life in Christ," which is love. In whatever you do, love God and others. If it is not done in love, it is sin. That is what is meant by the commandments of Jesus overcoming "the law sin and death." (Ro 8:2)

You don't know what Calvinism actually teaches do you?
Yeah, I do. I was one once. I believed that because I believed that Christ died for my sins, that I was saved. No. That is just "enlightenment," Jn 16:8-10. That is just a change of mind, not of heart. You really, really ought to change your heart. Do you know how?

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John L. Dagg, one of the very first Southern Baptist theologian, wrote in his work "Manual of Theology"
That seems to be pure monotheism. That IS what the OT saints believed. It is not trinitarian.

In trinitarian believe, we KNOW that one Person of the Godhead has a body now glorified and with the Father in heaven. But when He was baptized, we know that He was in a body and yet a voice from heaven spoke saying, "This is My Son in whom I am well pleased."

So just as there are 3 Persons in the Godhead, there are distinctive attributes of each .. else there would be no need of Them being 3. The same goes for their functions in salvation. Only one of them, the Son, died and rose again, for instance. Only One, the Son again, mediates between man and the Father. There has to be at least 2 Persons in such an arrangement.

But your author even admits that he doesn't know in what "mode" God is present everywhere so I wouldn't take him too seriously. Scripture does say that in the "mode" of the Spirit, God is seen everywhere, Ro 1:18.

So my view is 1) "unorthodox" for the OT and 2) unorthodox to those who don't know the Bible.

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Monotheism=/=Unitarianism. You again show your ignorance of the subjects at hand.
Well, I'm just glad I'm not either!

I wasn't ignorant. It just seemed right to think he was referring to the OT — SCRIPTURE — and not some false denomination.

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Well, I'm just glad I'm not either!

I wasn't ignorant. It just seemed right to think he was referring to the OT — SCRIPTURE — and not some false denomination.

skypair

You keep exposing your lack of understanding. Christians are monotheists. We believe in a Trinitarian God, but He is still one God.
 
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You need to study Romans again. Paul clearly says not knowing the law is no excuse because the Gentiles had the law written on their hearts. They knew right from wrong, that right from wrong is God's law on the hearts of every human. Everyone has the law as Paul states to the Jews taking away their pride that they have the Law. In Romans Paul is making peace between Jew and Gentile, He takes away the Law, circumcise, and even Abraham from the Jew. Saying it is by Faith. He also says no one can be made right with God by the Law, so no Paul was not saved by OT covenant. The Law never had the power to save, it was by Faith that Abraham was saved and all the prophets not by the law. Paul goes on to say God held punishment because he was looking forward to Jesus on the cross dying for their sins, and yes even Abraham sins. It is by faith we are saved not the Law.

What Paul describes is himself trying to be right with God by the law, it makes a person hostile to God and sin more because they can not do it as Paul says.

Don't be offended that dean said you need to study more or that i say that, we all need to study more, no one knows everything about the Bible except God.
 
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You need to study Romans again. Paul clearly says not knowing the law is no excuse because the Gentiles had the law written on their hearts. They knew right from wrong, that right from wrong is God's law on the hearts of every human.
OK, I just reread it and it says the no one can claim not to know that there is a God or Godhead (Ro 1:18-20) .. NOT no one can claim to not know the laws of God.

He also says no one can be made right with God by the Law, so no Paul was not saved by OT covenant.
Of course he WAS! No one is saved without repenting to God — turning and doing His will. Saul became a Pharisee and was a believing one. That is actually why Christ "cornered" him on the road to Damascus!! Saul KNEW the God of the OT — he just didn't know the God of the NT. He was like the disciples of John the Baptist in Acts 19:1-5.

Obviously, no one in the OT was saved. Even Paul knew that! But Saul WAS saved by serving the law of God with his mind even though he served the law of sin in his flesh, Ro 7:25.

The Law never had the power to save, it was by Faith that Abraham was saved and all the prophets not by the law.
Correct .. faith that turned and did God's will. That is, repented — something that to this day you don't understand. As you would have it, Abraham was given faith - just like you, eh?

What Paul describes is himself trying to be right with God by the law, it makes a person hostile to God and sin more because they can not do it as Paul says.
No, that is the warfare that happens in EVERY saved person that doesn't have (OT) have the Spirit. But because we don't serve the law in the flesh but the "law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus" (which is to DO nothing other than out of love for God and others), we have no such warfare when we live in the Spirit.

Please don't be offended, either. I know this is all new to you. It has to be because Calvinism doesn't teach it or the Bible on these issues.

...no one knows everything about the Bible except God.
But we DO have the mind of Christ — which IS the Bible, 1Cor 2:16. And I am really glad that you want to discuss it, too!

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Skypair, you posted that " Saul KNEW the God of the OT — he just didn't know the God of the NT.This is the same God. Malachi 3:6 "For I am the Lord,I change not.

God did not change from the OT to the NT.

Ha-ha! So you would be saying that Saul knew Jesus was God? Step back from that comment before it blows up in your face! Saul actually said that he was on the "committee" that chose to crucify Jesus as a heretic! Care to rethink that comment?

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The orthodox Baptist view is that it is Christ who paid the price of sin and that salvation is by grace through faith in Him. The OT saints were covered for sin by the OT law and their faith in a future Messiah but their salvation was not realized until the cross. Christ died for sins past and present and future. Since the cross, we are saved by grace through faith in a Risen Savior. Since the cross, a person has to believe in Jesus Christ as Savior to be born again and saved.
 
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