What did Jesus mean

[Bluelion]

What did Jesus mean when He said those that Love me keep My commandments? Was He telling us to now obey the Law and keep it? The very Law He set us free from? or the penalty of that is. Yes and No.
The Law is Good, and should be kept the best we can, but there is a key to the Law. Jesus spoke of it all the Law hangs on the two greatest commandments both equally important. Love God with all you are, and Love each other as yourself. When Jesus spoke of keeping His commandments He had these two in mind. You see those who Love the Lord and Obey are those who Love. Love what? God and each other. That is How we Love God by spreading around His Love for us. God loved us first, we Love Him back because of His work in us, and then we are to spread it around and Love each other, and that is His work in us as well.

The more you Love, The better you Keep the Law, and less you sin, everyone falls short, but the penalty is gone. Just Love and you have obeyed.

Peace and Love
blu

 

[twin1954]

And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
(1Jn 3:23)

John actually answered your question. It isn't keeping the law the best that you can. To think that is to destroy the law not keep it. The law demands perfect obedience, which can only be had by the imputed obedience of Christ, and can accept nothing less. To imagine that your best is accepted is to deny that the law is righteous and it lowers the righteousness of the law to a place that we think we can keep it.

The commandments that Christ spoke of are believe in Him and love one another. John 6:28-29, 15:12

 

[Bluelion]

And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
(1Jn 3:23)

John actually answered your question. It isn't keeping the law the best that you can. To think that is to destroy the law not keep it. The law demands perfect obedience, which can only be had by the imputed obedience of Christ, and can accept nothing less. To imagine that your best is accepted is to deny that the law is righteous and it lowers the righteousness of the law to a place that we think we can keep it.

The commandments that Christ spoke of are believe in Him and love one another. John 6:28-29, 15:12

so are you saying you don't need to Love God?

And Paul said if you say you don't sin you are a lair. I suppose your the one person on earth who keeps the Law perfectly.

 

[twin1954]

so are you saying you don't need to Love God?

And Paul said if you say you don't sin you are a lair. I suppose your the one person on earth who keeps the Law perfectly.

HUH! Where did you get that from what I wrote? Actually read what I said before you comment. I said that love is not a requirement of salvation, as you posit, nor evidence of salvation but a fruit of the Spirit. I actually gave the reference. I also said that you did not give the meaning of the teaching of Jesus in the passage you didn't reference but paraphrased to make it say what you wanted. Making unequivocal statements as though it is fact without basis or backup is either the result of arrogance or ignorance. I am guilty of such nonsense often.

Opps! I answered the wrong response in this thread.:o I thought you were responding to the other thread.


But still you didn't actually read what I wrote. I showed that John clearly showed what were the commandments that were are to keep. I not only gave the reference but quoted the verse just in case you didn't look it up. But I ask that you not again put words in my mouth. You just called out someone for supposedly doing that to you and now you think it is Ok to do to me?

 

[Bluelion]

HUH! Where did you get that from what I wrote? Actually read what I said before you comment. I said that love is not a requirement of salvation, as you posit, nor evidence of salvation but a fruit of the Spirit. I actually gave the reference. I also said that you did not give the meaning of the teaching of Jesus in the passage you didn't reference but paraphrased to make it say what you wanted. Making unequivocal statements as though it is fact without basis or backup is either the result of arrogance or ignorance. I am guilty of such nonsense often.

Right your saying a person does not have to Love God, as you say it "is not a requirement of salvation" do you even know what your saying?

 

[twin1954]

Right your saying a person does not have to Love God, as you say it "is not a requirement of salvation" do you even know what your saying?

Again you are not stating what I said accurately and you know it. You are twisting it and making a straw man caricature of it in order to tear it down. Is that being honest?

I ask that you actually engage what I said not what you twist it to mean. You can do it I know you can.

 

[Bluelion]

Again you are not stating what I said accurately and you know it. You are twisting it and making a straw man caricature of it in order to tear it down. Is that being honest?

I ask that you actually engage what I said not what you twist it to mean. You can do it I know you can.

so your saying a person does have to love God to get to Heaven?

 

[twin1954]

so your saying a person does have to love God to get to Heaven?

What I am saying is that he will love God. There is no have to in it. When you say that they have to you are adding a requirement that is not Scriptural.

 

[Bluelion]

What I am saying is that he will love God. There is no have to in it. When you say that they have to you are adding a requirement that is not Scriptural.

and yet you admit you can not get to heaven if you do not love God.

 

[twin1954]

Bluelion;
I get it that you are studying to be a preacher. I have been one for many years and am trying to challenge you not rip you up. I am being hard on you for sure but it isn't because I don't like you it is because I take the preaching of the Gospel seriously and hold those who claim to be preachers or want to be to a very high standard. We must be careful how we say things and how we communicate to others. I know by experience that folks hear what they want to hear and will take your words and run with them. Always strive to be as clear and unmistakable as you can in what you say or write. Challenge what you have been taught with the Scriptures instead of just accepting anything because a man you respect says it. Every heresy sounds right. Keep that in mind when you study doctrine and theology.

BTW, I am not going to let up on you. Steel is tempered by heat.

 

[twin1954]

and yet you admit you can not get to heaven if you do not love God.

No that is not what I said at all. Again you are making something a requirement that is not and should never be. Certainly all those who are and will be in Heaven love God but they didn't get there because they love Him.

 

[Bluelion]

Bluelion;
I get it that you are studying to be a preacher. I have been one for many years and am trying to challenge you not rip you up. I am being hard on you for sure but it isn't because I don't like you it is because I take the preaching of the Gospel seriously and hold those who claim to be preachers or want to be to a very high standard. We must be careful how we say things and how we communicate to others. I know by experience that folks hear what they want to hear and will take your words and run with them. Always strive to be as clear and unmistakable as you can in what you say or write. Challenge what you have been taught with the Scriptures instead of just accepting anything because a man you respect says it. Every heresy sounds right. Keep that in mind when you study doctrine and theology.

BTW, I am not going to let up on you. Steel is tempered by heat.

I don't think you realize what i said was clear, it was you trying to bend it every which way. You seem to want to be My teach, I already have one Jesus, thanks for the offer though.

Funny how you think it is your job to test me, but children of God do not test each other in such ways, but instead compare them to the word to see if they are from God. If you can show where I went against God's Word i would like to see that, but I don't think you can.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Romans 16 speaks of 'the obedience of faith'. This does not mean that born again believers in the church are back under legal bondage; but it means that they follow their Master in faith.

 

[Bluelion]

Romans 16 speaks of 'the obedience of faith'. This does not mean that born again believers in the church are back under legal bondage; but it means that they follow their Master in faith.

and Love Brother

 

[twin1954]

I don't think you realize what i said was clear,

To you perhaps. If what you said was what you intended to communicate then you are wrong. I have pointed that out several times now.

it was you trying to bend it every which way.

Not at all. I clearly showed you how and why what you stated is false but you twisted what I said several times in order to defend an un-defendable position.

You seem to want to be My teach, I already have one Jesus, thanks for the offer though.

You're welcome. Actually I am teaching you every time I post and you are learning. You may not like what I am teaching you but I am teaching you nonetheless. How do you know if it is Jesus teaching you? For Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2Cor. 11:15-15

Funny how you think it is your job to test me,

No it isn't my job to test you and this is not a test. It is my job, being called of God as a minister of the Gospel, to ensure that those who claim to be preachers and teachers know what they are teaching and are Biblical in it. It is my job to stop the mouths of the gainsayers and to guard the sheep from false prophets. It is my job to expose error and instruct in truth. Sorry if you are uncomfortable with that.

but children of God do not test each other in such ways, but instead compare them to the word to see if they are from God. If you can show where I went against God's Word i would like to see that, but I don't think you can.

I have and will again.

 

[Bluelion]

To you perhaps. If what you said was what you intended to communicate then you are wrong. I have pointed that out several times now. Not at all. I clearly showed you how and why what you stated is false but you twisted what I said several times in order to defend an un-defendable position. You're welcome. Actually I am teaching you every time I post and you are learning. You may not like what I am teaching you but I am teaching you nonetheless. How do you know if it is Jesus teaching you? For Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2Cor. 11:15-15

No it isn't my job to test you and this is not a test. It is my job, being called of God as a minister of the Gospel, to ensure that those who claim to be preachers and teachers know what they are teaching and are Biblical in it. It is my job to stop the mouths of the gainsayers and to guard the sheep from false prophets. It is my job to expose error and instruct in truth. Sorry if you are uncomfortable with that. I have and will again.

I see a legend in your own mind

See there you go saying I said things I did not say, now where did I claim to be a preacher or a teacher. See the issue is with you putting words in that people did not say.

Now you have not shown That I EVER went against God's word and I would like to see it with scripture. Let your yes be your yes and your no be your No. In other words we are to speak truth, and the truth shall set you free, but love rejoices in truth.

 

[Emmy]

Dear Bluelion. In Matthew 22: 35-40: Jesus told us: " The first and great
Commandment is: Love God with all our hearts, with all our souls, and with all our minds. The second is like it: Love our neighbour as we love ourselves."
That is straightforward and easy to remember. Jesus also told us: " On these two Commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." That means:
from all the Laws, ( Prophets included) those two Commandments say it all:
whatever we say or do, whatever we advise or stand for, must be from Love and Compassion. Jesus tells us that God is our Heavenly Father, and God comes always first, our neighbour is: all we know and all we meet, friends and not friends, and we must love them as we love ourselves: TREAT THEM AS WE WOULD LOVE TO BE TREATED, always kindly and with friendly words.
Matthew 7: 7-10: tells us: " ask and ye shall receive," we then ask for Love and Joy, then thank God and share all Love and Joy with our neighbour.
We keep asking God and thanking God, then share all Love and Joy with our neighbour. God will see our loving efforts, and God will approve and Bless us.
We might stumble and forget at times, but then we ask God to forgive us,
and carry on loving and caring.
The Bible tells us to " Repent and to be Born Again," ask God`s forgiveness for
wrong and selfish deeds, and start loving and caring as God wants us to.
Love is very catching, and we slowly start changing into the sons and daughters, which God our Heavenly Father wants us to become.
Jesus our Saviour will help and guide us: JESUS IS THE WAY: ask and receive
and share all Love and Joy with all we know and all we meet. I say this with love, Bluelion. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.

 

[twin1954]

I see a legend in your own mind

See there you go saying I said things I did not say, now where did I claim to be a preacher or a teacher. See the issue is with you putting words in that people did not say.

Hi, I am a Dad, Husband, and Student. I have studied many things in my life, and now i am getting my Master in divinity to preach

Is this not from your profile? I have put no words in your mouth.

Now you have not shown That I EVER went against God's word and I would like to see it with scripture. Let your yes be your yes and your no be your No. In other words we are to speak truth, and the truth shall set you free, but love rejoices in truth.

Every time you come out with an anti-Calvinist thread you have gone against the Word. The premise of this thread is against the Word.

 

[Hammster]

What did Jesus mean when He said those that Love me keep My commandments? Was He telling us to now obey the Law and keep it? The very Law He set us free from? or the penalty of that is. Yes and No.
The Law is Good, and should be kept the best we can, but there is a key to the Law. Jesus spoke of it all the Law hangs on the two greatest commandments both equally important. Love God with all you are, and Love each other as yourself. When Jesus spoke of keeping His commandments He had these two in mind. You see those who Love the Lord and Obey are those who Love. Love what? God and each other. That is How we Love God by spreading around His Love for us. God loved us first, we Love Him back because of His work in us, and then we are to spread it around and Love each other, and that is His work in us as well.

The more you Love, The better you Keep the Law, and less you sin, everyone falls short, but the penalty is gone. Just Love and you have obeyed.

Peace and Love
blu

In the same way a tree is know by its fruit, a believer is known by his love. But it's not an apple growing on a branch that makes an apple tree an apple tree. It's that the tree produces apples. It always will because that's its nature.

It's not our outward love of God that makes us believers. Our new nature upon regeneration (a heart of stone replaced by a heart of flesh) means that we will naturally love God.

 

[twin1954]

Bluelion

If you can please give us an exposition of this passage I gave in the second post. You have ignored it in order to attempt to put words in my mouth so now please give us an honest exposition of the passage.

Here it is again:
And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
(1Jn 3:23)