In respect to making the choice regarding the fruit how are Adam and Eve equipped to know if God's version is truth/false or if the serpent's version is truth/false? It seems they are reacting to the immediate information given to them and lack the ability to know which is truth and which is not.The knowing or being able to judge the difference between absolute good and absolute evil, which they found out they were still unable to do even after eating the fruit, which is why God told them not to eat of it, etc, which is what made them afraid and why they hid themselves, and tried to cover up their nakedness, etc, or the shame of their nakedness, etc, and hide from God, etc, after that, etc...
The concepts were completely foreign to them at that time, (good and evil) etc, but other than that they knew quite a lot of "other things", etc, a lot of knowledge that was "lost to the ages", etc, they were not stupid before that, just innocent, etc...
It should stand as a warning to us when trying to judge or know the absolute difference between absolute good and absolute evil for absolutely sure, etc...
That kind of knowledge or knowing belongs to God alone, etc...
Satan convinced them that they could be the judges of good and evil for themselves, and they were wrong, and we are still wrong, etc, especially absolutely, and for absolutely sure, etc...
And like I said, they were not stupid, just innocent...
God Bless!
Perhaps what they also saw was lust. Looking at their spouse with new eyes, or even themselves, they may have dipped into selfish desires of the flesh.That verse always puzzled me. The only one who could see their nakedness was their spouse, and spouses are cool with that even now...
I can agree they didn't see a need for clothing. It's not they they didn't know they were covered but it's like putting a shirt and a hat on a dog. It just looks silly, the dog doesn't really want/like it and it's just better with it off. For Adam and Eve I'm sure it was he same, sure they could put fig leaves here and there but why would you? But something after eating the fruit change this and they now desired to be covered.Possibly, they never noticed that their bodies were not covered. There was no reason to notice . . . maybe.
But in order for them to eat the forbidden fruit, they needed to become disobedient. And our Apostle Paul says there is "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience," in Ephesians 2:2. So, I understand that Satan's spirit changed them from being perfect as creatures, to being degraded to be disobedient. And this evil spirit also altered how they would perceive good and evil. We see how worldly people have good and evil so mixed up. Not having something, like clothes, to them can seem evil. Rain so needed for life on this planet is considered "bad" weather, when in reality it is a blessing of God who is good.
If the weather and environment were conducive to it, I would.If my wife and I were stuck on a deserted island we wouldn't walk around naked just because we can.
As a white male living in the tropics I can personally say walking around naked for any length of time on reflective sandy beaches are a bad idea (regardless who's around to see) White turns to red very quickly by the equator. Perhaps God thought of this already in Eden so it wasn't a problem (plus Adam and Eve weren't white)If the weather and environment were conducive to it, I would.
That is one of the factors toward being conducive or not. My severely autistic daughter has no sense of modesty, but she will still get dressed if she is too cold.White turns to red very quickly by the equator.
v4-5 But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
v7 Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked. And they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loincloths.
what exactly did Adam and Even "not know" before eating the fruit. The serpent tells them if they eat the fruit they will know the difference between good and evil... do we accept this? After they ate it, they knew they were naked. being naked is neither good/evil yet Adam and Eve knew they were naked after eating the fruit and before it seems they did not. To me this seems to be about either shame or the lust of being naked that they experienced. They always knew their bodies weren't covered but something was different after eating the fruit that uncovered bodies meant something else.
so how does Adam and Eve knowing they were naked connect with them knowing good and evil? if they didn't know good and evil how were they to know that following God was good and following the serpent was evil?
Maybe she has better sense being motivated by her body's needs rather than a billion other nonsense reasons. It's just too bad her logic doesn't translate well to the rest of the world.That is one of the factors toward being conducive or not. My severely autistic daughter has no sense of modesty, but she will still get dressed if she is too cold.
v4-5 But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
v7 Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked. And they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loincloths.
what exactly did Adam and Even "not know" before eating the fruit. The serpent tells them if they eat the fruit they will know the difference between good and evil... do we accept this? After they ate it, they knew they were naked. being naked is neither good/evil yet Adam and Eve knew they were naked after eating the fruit and before it seems they did not. To me this seems to be about either shame or the lust of being naked that they experienced. They always knew their bodies weren't covered but something was different after eating the fruit that uncovered bodies meant something else.
so how does Adam and Eve knowing they were naked connect with them knowing good and evil? if they didn't know good and evil how were they to know that following God was good and following the serpent was evil?
Good. Yes. They reacted to , were ashamed of , their nakedness. Perhaps because they now are not 'covered'/ not innocent/ but guilty ? They have no more 'cover' of righteousness. (some have hypothesized that they were covered by "light" before they were exposed sinners - while that might be true , we don't have to say it is, nor is it necessary to know what if anything was covering them before they sinned, unless it is revealed in God's Word) ...This is very abstract and metaphorical. What Adam and Eve seem to be reacting to is physical nakedness (at least a natural read) There certainly is a spiritual application but how does that relate to the physical awareness that they are naked when before it was absent unless of course you are suggesting that their knowledge of nakedness was based on the spiritual and not the physical.
She is deceived into thinking the fruit is good to eat. Adam may have been standing with her or close by, but wherever he was, what is written? (he was not deceived, Eve was) . He sinned. He died because he sinned.After hearing the serpent she sees the fruit is good to eat so now is looking in differently than she did before then that knowledge is passed on to Adam.
Obedience is required. THE CREATOR, their Creator, told them what to do, and what not to do. That is all that is needed.If they don't know the difference how are they to know which advice is better and then which one they should follow?
Today people are born sinners, not knowing good. By grace, through faith in Jesus , we/ they/ can come to know what is good.The knowlege of good and evil, I believe is the going from being holy, not knowing it was good, to becoming depraved, being in knowlege of good and evil.
Today people are born sinners, not knowing good. By grace, through faith in Jesus , we/ they/ can come to know what is good.
Adam and Havah (Eve) started in life knowing good, not knowing sin. By disobeying, they experienced evil. They committed rebellion against God. They died.
Today people are born sinners, not knowing good. By grace, through faith in Jesus , we/ they/ can come to know what is good.
Perhaps the word knowledge is the culprit in a way - "experiential knowledge" is often found in the original language, I don't know if this is the case in the first chapters of Genesis or not.The knowlege of good and evil, I believe is the going from being holy - not knowing it was "good" (because they didn't know anything else), to becoming depraved - being in knowledge of good and evil.
Did they even have a conscience? I get you see in figuratively but in a vacuum does it make sense? Could they have chosen good/evil if they didn't yet understand it?So they put their conscience to the back of their heads, and eat the fruit.
This is all good stuff but heavy on the spiritual applications over the physical. Does this point to viewing the literal details (with literal meaning) as somewhat missing the point and (at least in this account) we should favour the spiritual applications of the text. I'm not trying to explain away the bible, but in these early creation accounts, at least with the fall, it seems it to apply based on how your approaching the text.Good. Yes. They reacted to , were ashamed of , their nakedness. Perhaps because they now are not 'covered'/ not innocent/ but guilty ? They have no more 'cover' of righteousness. (some have hypothesized that they were covered by "light" before they were exposed sinners - while that might be true , we don't have to say it is, nor is it necessary to know what if anything was covering them before they sinned, unless it is revealed in God's Word) ...
They were ashamed after they sinned. Since all mankind was consigned under sin from then on, all men and women from then on 'normally' are ashamed to be naked in front of others of the opposite sex. (although multitudes , even of God's people "have forgotten how to blush" (not a good thing, as God Says) ) ....
She is deceived into thinking the fruit is good to eat. Adam may have been standing with her or close by, but wherever he was, what is written? (he was not deceived, Eve was) . He sinned. He died because he sinned.
Why apply it based on how the text is approached?This is all good stuff but heavy on the spiritual applications over the physical. Does this point to viewing the literal details (with literal meaning) as somewhat missing the point and (at least in this account) we should favour the spiritual applications of the text. I'm not trying to explain away the bible, but in these early creation accounts, at least with the fall, it seems it to apply based on how your approaching the text.
This is all good stuff but heavy on the spiritual applications over the physical. Does this point to viewing the literal details (with literal meaning) as somewhat missing the point and (at least in this account) we should favour the spiritual applications of the text. I'm not trying to explain away the bible, but in these early creation accounts, at least with the fall, it seems it to apply based on how your approaching the text.
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