What denomination believes once a believer falls away they can never be saved?

[JohnB445]

So what happens if they fall away, then later turn around and become a believer again? Either 1. they are lying and not really a believer, and then became a believer for real, 2. They are lying about becoming a believer again and not really a believer, or 3. God allowed them to become a believer again but they are still going to hell anyways for leaving the first time. What other possibilities are there?

I have heard it said, once someone falls away they cannot come back to the faith, Usually they will point to the book of Hebrews as proof. Is this a popular view among Christians or no?

 

[Hoping2]

So what happens if they fall away, then later turn around and become a believer again? Either 1. they are lying and not really a believer, and then became a believer for real, 2. They are lying about becoming a believer again and not really a believer, or 3. God allowed them to become a believer again but they are still going to hell anyways for leaving the first time. What other possibilities are there?

I have heard it said, once someone falls away they cannot come back to the faith, Usually they will point to the book of Hebrews as proof. Is this a popular view among Christians or no?

I've never heard that doctrine before.
All the false churches thrive on sinners returning to the flock.
The false churches hope they will come and then go dozens of times.
That is where the money is !
And the false preachers can forgo the teachings about perfect obedience being necessary for salvation.
If everyone in the flock is sinner, the preacher's own sins won't seem so devilish.

 

[Aaron112]

If everyone in the flock is sinner, the preacher's own sins won't seem so devilish.

For later, perhaps, someone remembers where Scripture speaks of this condition (that the world religion is in perpetually).

 

[Aaron112]

What other possibilities are there?

It is written that what is popular (highly esteemed) by men, God Himself Calls an abomination.
So how many possibilities can there be daily ?
Might have to go offline to discover the reality of this.

 

[Clare73]

So what happens if they fall away, then later turn around and become a believer again? Either 1. they are lying and not really a believer, and then became a believer for real, 2. They are lying about becoming a believer again and not really a believer, or 3. God allowed them to become a believer again but they are still going to hell anyways for leaving the first time. What other possibilities are there?

I have heard it said, once someone falls away they cannot come back to the faith, Usually they will point to the book of Hebrews as proof. Is this a popular view among Christians or no?

Once you've tasted it, actually participated in it, didn't like it and rejected it, what is going to change your mind about it when you now have an aversion to it?

 

[RileyG]

I don't think any denomination does to the best of my knowledge?

(I can only think of a quote from Joseph Smith, but LDS, per CF rules, is NOT Christian).

 

[Dan Perez]

I've never heard that doctrine before.
All the false churches thrive on sinners returning to the flock.
The false churches hope they will come and then go dozens of times.
That is where the money is !
And the false preachers can forgo the teachings about perfect obedience being necessary for salvation.
If everyone in the flock is sinner, the preacher's own sins won't seem so devilish.

And it really did happen to ISRAEL so read Heb 6:4 and does not happen to anyone in the Body of Christ >

I believe is OSAS and read 1 Cor 5:1-5 and will be glad to answer any question you may have !!

dan p

 

[BNR32FAN]

So what happens if they fall away, then later turn around and become a believer again? Either 1. they are lying and not really a believer, and then became a believer for real, 2. They are lying about becoming a believer again and not really a believer, or 3. God allowed them to become a believer again but they are still going to hell anyways for leaving the first time. What other possibilities are there?

I have heard it said, once someone falls away they cannot come back to the faith, Usually they will point to the book of Hebrews as proof. Is this a popular view among Christians or no?

That’s a common interpretation of Hebrews 6:4-6 but it contradicts James 5:19-20

“My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.”
‭‭James‬ ‭5‬:‭19‬-‭20‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

I’ve recently began to think that verse 6 could just be a proverbial statement, meaning something that usually doesn’t happen.

 

[Hoping2]

And it really did happen to ISRAEL so read Heb 6:4 and does not happen to anyone in the Body of Christ >

I believe is OSAS and read 1 Cor 5:1-5 and will be glad to answer any question you may have !!

dan p

I believe that there will be a day of judgement; after which folks can say "they are saved".
I feel that claiming salvation ahead of time lessens the acuteness of one's conscience.

 

[Clare73]

That’s a common interpretation of Hebrews 6:4-6 but it contradicts James 5:19-20

“My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.”
‭‭James‬ ‭5‬:‭19‬-‭20‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

I’ve recently began to think that verse 6 could just be a proverbial statement, meaning something that usually doesn’t happen.

I understand "anyone" to be a sinning Christian, and "the truth" to be gospel obedience.

 

[Hoping2]

For later, perhaps, someone remembers where Scripture speaks of this condition (that the world religion is in perpetually).

Perhaps...2 Cor 10:12..."For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise."

 

[Hoping2]

Once you've tasted it, actually participated in it, didn't like it and rejected it, what is going to change your mind about it when you now have an aversion to it?

The real reason some fall away, is because they never "tasted" the good things to begin with.
Those people can come back and try again.

 

[Clare73]

The real reason some fall away, is because they never "tasted" the good things to begin with.
Those people can come back and try again.

Yes, for the text refers to those who have tasted it (Heb 6:4).

 

[Hoping2]

Yes, the text refers to those who have tasted it (Heb 6:4).

"Those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come," don't fall away.
It was the posers who lost their faith.
We see in the epistles quite a few times where those cast out were welcomed back...with conditions.
Their return is the actual start of their walk in Christ.

 

[Clare73]

"Those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come," don't fall away.

Heb 6:6 says that they can.

It was the posers who lost their faith.

And the posers can have tasted these things (Heb 6:4-5).

 

[Hoping2]

Heb 6:6 says that they can.

I disagree.

And the posers can have tasted these things (Heb 6:4-5).

Had they tasted it, they would never have left.
"4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. (Heb 6:4-6)

We see several folks that appear to fall away in the NT, but Heb 6 proves they were not partakers of the heavenly gifts.
How ?
Because they were offered a way back.

 

[Clare73]

I disagree.

Your disagreement is with Heb 6:4-6.

Had they tasted it, they would never have left.
"4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. (Heb 6:4-6)

We see several folks that appear to fall away in the NT, but Heb 6 proves they were not partakers of the heavenly gifts.
How ?
Because they were offered a way back.

They were not "offered a way back," rather they were considering leaving Christianity to return to Judaism, which would be apostasy, from which they would be unable to be renewed again.

 

[Hoping2]

Your disagreement is with Heb 6:4-6.

They were not "offered a way back," rather they were considering leaving Christianity to return to Judaism, which would be apostasy, from which they would be unable to be renewed again.

You must be thinking of someone in particular, so who ?
I was thinking about Paul's hoping that the Corinthians could forgive the adulterer.

 

[Clare73]

You must be thinking of someone in particular, so who ?
I was thinking about Paul's hoping that the Corinthians could forgive the adulterer.

Heb 6:4-6 is addressed to Hebrew Christians.

I was addressing your post #15.

 

[RDKirk]

So what happens if they fall away, then later turn around and become a believer again? Either 1. they are lying and not really a believer, and then became a believer for real, 2. They are lying about becoming a believer again and not really a believer, or 3. God allowed them to become a believer again but they are still going to hell anyways for leaving the first time. What other possibilities are there?

I have heard it said, once someone falls away they cannot come back to the faith, Usually they will point to the book of Hebrews as proof. Is this a popular view among Christians or no?

I don't know of any denomination that believes your #3.