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I'm sure if they could all come back today and relive their lives -- knowing what we all know now -- they would write It again, and not change one jot or one tittle.No, it just meant they believed it to be true. Not that it was true.
With respect to God, or in spite of God?
I'm sure if they could all come back today and relive their lives -- knowing what we all know now -- they would write It again, and not change one jot or one tittle.
I'm asking what you think, since you're the one using the Crusades as a point.Actually, they were slaughtered in the name of God, to prove to them that the Christian Bible was morally and ethically superior, with a sword (if they were lucky).
Che Guevara and others aside, please note that I gave 10 reasons combined.As for #9 (martyrdom), two things, there are martyrs in every culture, Che Guevara is one, a Marxist revolutionary, he died for his cause, that is the very definition of martyrdom. According to your reasoning we all should be communists because what Che wrote is the truth since he died for it. And second, don't you think other religions or cultures have their own martyrs?
But the one that doesn't, was.By the way, the old testament (the one that recants creation) was not written by martyrs.
They also believed It to be Truth.I'm sure they would, if they believed it to be true. Belief will do that.
Ya -- ever heard of Che Guevara?The mere existence of belief is not validity, mind.
I'm sure if they could all come back today and relive their lives -- knowing what we all know now -- they would write It again, and not change one jot or one tittle.
You're the 'Christian', you tell us.
Have you see this before, bro?Pentateuch - 5 books:
Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy
Historical Books - 12 books:
Joshua, Judges, Ruth, First Samuel, Second Samuel, First Kings, Second Kings, First Chronicles, Second Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther.
Poetical - 5 books:
Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon
Prophetical - 17 books:
Major Prophets - Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, Daniel;
Minor Prophets - Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi
The Old Testament consists of 39 books, arranged as follows:
Further subdivided as follows:
- 17 [historical] --- 5 [poetical] --- 17 [prophetical]
Note: in the five books by the major prophets, you have Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, Daniel.
- 5 [books of Moses] --- 12 [books of history]
- 5 [books of poetry]
- 5 [books by major prophets] --- 12 [books by minor prophets]
Let's look at this "fulcrum":
Book of Lamentations consists of 5 chapters, as follows:
The two major prophets before Lamentations are pre-Caanan writings.
- Chapter 1 = 22 verses
- Chapter 2 = 22 verses
- Chapter 3 = 66 verses
- Chapter 4 = 22 verses
- Chapter 5 = 22 verses
The two major prophets after Lamentations are post-Caanan.
And speaking of Canaan, we can further break the 12 historical and 12 prophetical books down into 9 + 3 by considering pre and post-Canaan writings.
Perfect mathematical divine balance in just the Old Testament alone.
I'm asking what you think, since you're the one using the Crusades as a point.
Do you think they did it in respect to God, or in spite of God?
Che Guevara and others aside, please note that I gave 10 reasons combined.
That means I don't have to think Che Guevara and others died for the Truth.
But the one that doesn't, was.
Well, I guess I've been told, haven't I?As for your 10 reasons:
- The Bible claims Itself to be true. All religious books claim to be true.
- Jesus claims the Bible is true. Not a reason (all prophets claim their books are true).
- The Bible is superior both morally and ethically. Not a reason, and not true.
- The Bible has the ability to affect us. Not a reason, all religious books affect their followers.
- The Bible has extraordinary unity. Not a reason, all religious books have extraordinary unity.
- The Bible is historically accurate. Not a reason, all religious books have historically accurate passages.
- 100% prophecy fulfillment rate. Not a reason, you could claim Nostradamus has a 100% fulfillment rate if you interpret it right.
- The Bible has been extraordinarily preserved. Not a reason.
- Its human authors were martyred and/or suffered great persecution. Not a reason, many martyrs died for other causes.
- The Bible changes lives. Not a reason, all religious books change lives.
Oh, so as a Christian I am not allowed to have doubts? That actually does answer some of my questions.
Sure you can - that's the magic of sock puppets!We can't all be consol, you're becoming paranoid.
Dispensationalists know better; but I'd venture to say that is a little over your head.Something else I find very peculiar, if these people that say that the Bible is the absolute Truth really meant what they said they should be out there stoning gays and killing infidels.
Anyone -- that's why we have laws to protect people who think like you.Who decides which portions of the Old book to follow and which not?
Dispensationalists know better; but I'd venture to say that is a little over your head.
For the record, Islamists took your advice about being consistent with their scriptures on 11 September 2001.
As did Shoko Asahara in 1996(?) with his scriptures.
Anyone -- that's why we have laws to protect people who think like you.
If there were no laws, Sherlock, there would be no laws telling us to kill all infidels, would there?Are you really saying that you would kill all infidels if there were no laws?
If there were no laws, Sherlock, there would be no laws telling us to kill all infidels, would there?
Circular argument.For several reasons, combined:
[*]The Bible claims Itself to be true.
Only in the bible and only according to what others have claimed he said. See above.[*]Jesus claims the Bible is true.
Certainly not the O.T. Have you actually read the bible?[*]The Bible is superior both morally and ethically.
I was affected by reading the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings.[*]The Bible has the ability to affect us.
No it doesn't. It is a series of books written by different authors at different times for different purposes. If it had "extraordinary unity," then there would not be Christian Apologetics.[*]The Bible has extraordinary unity.
Only sometimes.[*]The Bible is historically accurate.
Except when the prophecies failed. Enter "Dispensations."[*]100% prophecy fulfillment rate.
So has the Koran and the Hindu Vedas.[*]The Bible has been extraordinarily preserved.
Irrelevant. The same could be said for the Book of Mormon.[*]Its human authors were martyred and/or suffered great persecution.
This is just a repeat of #4.[*]The Bible changes lives.
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No it doesn't. It is a series of books written by different authors at different times for different purposes. If it had "extraordinary unity," then there would not be Christian Apologetics.
Besides, if it appears to have unity anyway, it's because the books that make up the Bible were handpicked and decided by vote, IIRC. (how many didn't make the cut?)
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