What commandments?

Hentenza · Oct 28, 2025

SabbathBlessings said:
For those who might be interested in looking a little deeper of the context because we do not want to be cheated

Col2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

More context that no one seems to look at for some reason.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

The Ten Commandments was written by the finger of God Exo31:18 which is the Holy Spirit Luk 11:20 Mat 12:28 Moses is who hand wrote the ordinances that were outside the ark of the covenant where all the annual feasts days, that some were annual sabbaths drink and food offering the context of the passage.

2 Cor 33:8 and I will not again remove the foot of Israel from the land which I have appointed for your fathers—only if they are careful to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.”

Is the Sabbath commandment against and contrary to us

Lets look at what Jesus said:

Mat 2:28 The Sabbath was made for man

The Sabbath was made for man, what God makes for man is not against us. The Sabbath is blessed and sanctified by God, its not the definition of contrary and against

Sadly, this interpetation of Pauls writings places God against man. It makes God the Creator and our Sanctifier a shadow, It’s why we need to be careful with Pauls writings as we were told what some people would do to them as they do with the rest of Scriptures 2Peter3:16

So looking at the immediate context shows clearly Paul is not speaking of the Sabbath commandment. Nor does Paul have the authority to change God's written and spoken Testimony Exo 31:18 the words of the covenant Exo 34:28 that God promised He would not alter Psa 89:34 they went from written on tables of stone to written on tablets of the heart 2 Cor 3:3 Heb 8:10 because God keeps His promises.

Right here is enough to know Paul is not referring to the Sabbath commandment, but lets keep going.

This is what Paul is quoting the law he is referring to is from

Deu 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
Deu 31:25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

The laws that were beside the ark of the Covenant handwritten by Moses, there as a witness against, the context of Col 2:14

But lets look at this verse closer

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
The Greek word for sabbath here is plural not singular. So its not speaking of "The" Sabbath day "The holy day of the Lord" as already seen in the context.

Paul is quoting Ezekiel all of the sacrifices and offerings.

Eze 45:17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and theburnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

What was predicted would end when Jesus came?

Dan 9:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."

So this is not about any of the Ten Commandments but about the food and drink offerings, feast days that some were also sabbath(s) that were handwritten by Moses placed besides the ark of the covenant that came after the fall of man. The Sabbath started at Creation before sin Exo 20:11 so can't be a "shadow" of anything as it is part of God's perfect plan before sin took over and a need for a plan of salvation and the Sabbath points to our Creator Exo20:11 who is not a shadow. .

Why if you look at the next verse it clearly shows what it is referring to which works in perfect harmony with the context

Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Heb 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. (contrary and against)
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU DID NOT DESIRE, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME.
Heb 10:6 IN BURNT OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES FOR SIN YOU HAD NO PLEASURE.
Heb 10:7 THEN I SAID, 'BEHOLD, I HAVE COME—IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME—TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD.' "
Heb 10:8 Previously saying, "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING, BURNT OFFERINGS, AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU DID NOT DESIRE, NOR HAD PLEASURE IN THEM" (which are offered according to the law),
Heb 10:9 then He said, "BEHOLD, I HAVE COME TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD." He takes away the first that He may establish the second.

Exo 12:17 43 So the Lord said to Moses and Aaron: This is the ordinance of the Passover:
1Co 5:7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.

Ai understood this too

AI understands the Sabbath and Col 2:16

Great question — Colossians 2:16 is often cited in discussions about whether Christians are still required to keep the Sabbath commandment (the Fourth Commandment). Let's look at the verse carefully, in its full context, and then assess whether it refers to the weekly Sabbath from the Ten...

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Guess all will get sorted out at His soon return.

You are adding your legalistic twist to what should be a relatively easy read.

First, why was this epistle written? What is Paul fighting in the first part of this epistle?

In Cor. 2:8-10 Paul is battling the gnostics of the time which argued that Christ never had a body of flesh but was just spirit. These were the ones attempting to deceive the believers with philosophy and empty deception.

“See to it that there is no one who takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception in accordance with human tradition, in accordance with the elementary principles of the world, rather than in accordance with Christ. For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over every ruler and authority;”
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See to it that there is no one who takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception in accordance with human tradition, in accordance with the elementary principles of the world, rather than i

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As with all the early churches, the issue of Jewish legalism in Colosse was of great concern to Paul. So radical was the concept of salvation by grace apart from works that those in the law found it very difficult to grasp. Consequently, there was a continual movement among the legalists to add certain requirements from the law to this new faith. Primary among them was the requirement of circumcision which was still practiced among some of the Jewish converts. Paul addressed this error in Col. 2-11-15 in which he declares that circumcision of the flesh was no longer necessary because Christ had come. Christ’s was a circumcision of the heart, not the flesh.

“and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision performed without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. And when you were dead in your wrongdoings and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our wrongdoings, having canceled the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.”
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Colossians 2:11-15 and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision performed without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with Him in baptism, in whic | New American Standard Bible

and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision performed without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with Him in baptism, in whic

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Therefore, verse 16, when taken in context and in the interpretation intended by the writer, is a warning about both the gnostics and the legalistic Jews. The Jews were trying to add the requirements of the law like the dietary laws, thr festivals, and, of course, the sabbath and all the laws that went with it.

“Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day— things which are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. Take care that no one keeps defrauding you of your prize by delighting in humility and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind, and not holding firmly to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.”
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Colossians 2:16-19 Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day— things which are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance | New American Standard Bible

Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day— things which are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance

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Paul is battling legalism NOT defending legalism.

ChubbyCherub · Oct 29, 2025

tdidymas said:
There is only one commandment - Love God and neighbors. So if you love God, you will:
1. Seek to know Him through reading & studying the Bible, and fellowship with other Christians.
2. Honor God by public worship, being baptized, taking communion, and applying God's commandments to yourself.
If you love your neighbor, you will:
1. Fellowship with other Christians, and help them where you see the needs.
2. Pray for them, especially when they persecute you.
3. Share your faith whenever you have opportunity.

In regard to "the Sabbath," Christians met together on Sunday, per Acts 20:7 and other places. Paul taught that no one should be condemned because of sabbaths - Col. 2:16.

Thank you so much for this! God bless!

joechristianwarrior · Tuesday at 1:44 PM

ChubbyCherub said:
Thank you so much for this! God bless!

I think Jesus wants us to obey His actual words. For starters, we need to accept that Jesus is the Son of God, come to the world in the flesh. And that all the words He spoke, He was ordained to do so by God.

Once we get that established, we are in a better position to appreciate all that He actually taught. He said that only a fool would hear His words, and then not obey them. (Matthew 7:24-27) And that's what most churches have shown themselves to be - fools, through their total disregard for the actual teachings of Jesus.

To be clear, I'm talking about actual commands of Christ. Stuff like, "give to those who ask", "call no man on earth 'Father', "go into all the world to preach the gospel", "love your enemies", etc. That sort of thing. Churches just don't preach that these days, and that's why they're all so dead. I suggest you check out this video, and pray to God to open your eyes to the real truth:

ChubbyCherub · Wednesday at 12:20 AM

joechristianwarrior said:
I think Jesus wants us to obey His actual words. For starters, we need to accept that Jesus is the Son of God, come to the world in the flesh. And that all the words He spoke, He was ordained to do so by God.

Once we get that established, we are in a better position to appreciate all that He actually taught. He said that only a fool would hear His words, and then not obey them. (Matthew 7:24-27) And that's what most churches have shown themselves to be - fools, through their total disregard for the actual teachings of Jesus.

To be clear, I'm talking about actual commands of Christ. Stuff like, "give to those who ask", "call no man on earth 'Father', "go into all the world to preach the gospel", "love your enemies", etc. That sort of thing. Churches just don't preach that these days, and that's why they're all so dead. I suggest you check out this video, and pray to God to open your eyes to the real truth:

Thanks for that, appreciated!

I guess when I posted this, I wondered if we were supposed to be upholding the Sabbath. Most do not and there are mixed messages about why this is between denominations.

SabbathBlessings · Wednesday at 7:30 AM

ChubbyCherub said:
Thanks for that, appreciated!

I guess when I posted this, I wondered if we were supposed to be upholding the Sabbath. Most do not and there are mixed messages about why this is between denominations.

Did Jesus ever teach we do not need to keep the Sabbath commandment or any of the commandments of God in action or in words. That is your answer, not anything else that muddies the waters. Jesus said man should live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God, quoting the OT Mat4:4 most of the Sabbath verses came directly out of the mouth of God, saying to keep, condemning those who don't and tells us why in Scriptures. Eze22:26 God changes not, He tells us this Himself. Mal3:6. God just wants to spend time with His children and knows we have to work to support ourselves, so gives us six days to do that Exo20:9 and asks for just one day fully dedicated to Him Exo20:8-11 Isa 58:13 and was specific on that day Exo20:10. He only sanctified one day in all of Scripture for holy use Gen2:1-3 Exo20:11 why would God change the day to a day that He never sanctified, is not one of His commandments in lieu of what He plainly said, not just spoken by God, but the God of the Universe came down Himself to personally write Exo31:18 Deut4:13.

He actually warned the change to His Sabbath would happen, not by Him Dan7:25 Isa66:17 and we see clear history of this and who admits to changing it based on their authority over God's, no wonder why He put Remember on the 4th commandment. Its best to trust God with all our hearts, minds and souls and lean on Him for understanding Pro3:5-6 not anyone else. We are in a spiritual war, the same war that deceived 1/3 of the holy angels.

The Sabbath started when God made everything perfect according to His perfect plan. Exo20:11 God does not make mistakes, man does.

ChubbyCherub · Wednesday at 9:06 AM

SabbathBlessings said:
Did Jesus ever teach we do not need to keep the Sabbath commandment or any of the commandments of God in action or in words. That is your answer, not anything else that muddies the waters. Jesus said man should live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God, quoting the OT Mat4:4 most of the Sabbath verses came directly out of the mouth of God, saying to keep, condemning those who don't and tells us why in Scriptures. Eze22:26 God changes not, He tells us this Himself. Mal3:6. God just wants to spend time with His children and knows we have to work to support ourselves, so gives us six days to do that Exo20:9 and asks for just one day fully dedicated to Him Exo20:8-11 Isa 58:13 and was specific on that day Exo20:10. He only sanctified one day in all of Scripture for holy use Gen2:1-3 Exo20:11 why would God change the day to a day that He never sanctified, is not one of His commandments in lieu of what He plainly said, not just spoken by God, but the God of the Universe came down Himself to personally write Exo31:18 Deut4:13.

He actually warned the change to His Sabbath would happen, not by Him Dan7:25 Isa66:17 and we see clear history of this and who admits to changing it based on their authority over God's, no wonder why He put Remember on the 4th commandment. Its best to trust God with all our hearts, minds and souls and lean on Him for understanding Pro3:5-6 not anyone else. We are in a spiritual war, the same war that deceived 1/3 of the holy angels.

The Sabbath started when God made everything perfect according to His perfect plan. Exo20:11 God does not make mistakes, man does.

So, are we not to eat pork, either?

I get mixed messages on this one, too.

SabbathBlessings · Wednesday at 9:13 AM

ChubbyCherub said:
So, are we not to eat pork, either?

I get mixed messages on this one, too.

I believe once God deems something an abomination like He did in Lev 11 He never takes that back. There are some Scriptures that people use against what God said, but I can go through them with you if you would like to show it wasn't speaking about food. Remember, our first parents lost the Kingdom over food, eating something God said not to.

Sometimes its best to work backwards...

This is God speaking at His Second Coming

Isa 66:17 “Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves,
To go to the gardens
[a]After an idol in the midst,
Eating swine’s flesh and the abomination and the mouse,
Shall [b]be consumed together,” says the Lord.

What He said about keeping something holy as unholy and not knowing the difference between clean and unclean

Eze 22:26 Her priests have [a]violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.

It was never God's intention to kill any animal but to live off the land. However due to sin and God destroying all vegetation by the flood, He allowed animals to be eaten, the clean ones why God had 7 animals of the clean and 2 of the unclean in the ark and He never took this back God breaking it down in Lev11.

ChubbyCherub · Wednesday at 10:02 AM

SabbathBlessings said:
I believe once God deems something an abomination like He did in Lev 11 He never takes that back. There are some Scriptures that people use against what God said, but I can go through them with you if you would like to show it wasn't speaking about food. Remember, our first parents lost the Kingdom over food, eating something God said not to.

Sometimes its best to work backwards...

This is God speaking at His Second Coming

Isa 66:17 “Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves,
To go to the gardens
[a]After an idol in the midst,
Eating swine’s flesh and the abomination and the mouse,
Shall [b]be consumed together,” says the Lord.

What He said about keeping something holy as unholy and not knowing the difference between clean and unclean

Eze 22:26 Her priests have [a]violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.

It was never God's intention to kill any animal but to live off the land. However due to sin and God destroying all vegetation by the flood, He allowed animals to be eaten, the clean ones why God had 7 animals of the clean and 2 of the unclean in the ark and He never took this back God breaking it down in Lev11.

Thank you so much for responding!

There are many rules in the Leviticus regarding how women should be treated during menstruation e.g.

What laws are we keeping and what laws are we disregarding? Where does it say keep only the 10 commandments and forget the rest? Or does it?

SabbathBlessings · Wednesday at 10:21 AM

ChubbyCherub said:
Thank you so much for responding!

There are many rules in the Leviticus regarding how women should be treated during menstruation e.g.

What laws are we keeping and what laws are we disregarding? Where does it say keep only the 10 commandments and forget the rest? Or does it?

Good question. Keep in mind the Ten Commandments are God's commandments, He separated this unit of Ten from all other commandments - He called them collectively as a unit 'My covenant" Deut 4:13 "My commandments" Exo20:6 "My Testimony" Exo 31:18

Moses handwrote all of the other laws that was placed beside the ark of the covenant Deut31:24-26 and many of these laws were to help the Israelites through the trial of the wilderness.

The laws that show ended plainly were the Levitical Priesthood Heb7 and all of the laws under this service like animal sacrifices and anything to do with forgiveness of sins that were contained in the handwriting or ordinances that were contrary and against Moses handwrote that were placed besides the ark of the covenant there as a witness against Deut 31:24-26

2 Cor 33:8and I will not again remove the foot of Israel from the land which I have appointed for your fathers—only if they are careful to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.”

Eph 2:15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,

2 Cor 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

These were shadows pointing to Christ Col2:17

Heb 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once [a]purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.

Animal sacrifices was a temporarily cure for sins until the Seed came.

Sin is still the same in both old and new testament

1 John3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Any of the Ten Commandments
James 2:11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

The commandments are quite broad Psa119:165 as Jesus taught from them Mat5:19-30 and there is not a law they do not cover.

God never intended man to eat animals, it was a consequence of sin, in heaven there will be no eating of animals and should we not prepare for that now? At the very least not eat what God clearly defined as an abomination to Him?

ChubbyCherub · Wednesday at 10:25 AM

SabbathBlessings said:
Good question. Keep in mind the Ten Commandments are God's commandments, He separated this unit of Ten from all other commandments - He called them collectively as a unit 'My covenant" Deut 4:13 "My commandments" Exo20:6 "My Testimony" Exo 31:18

Moses handwrote all of the other laws that was placed beside the ark of the covenant Deut31:24-26 and many of these laws were to help the Israelites through the trial of the wilderness.

The laws that show ended plainly were the Levitical Priesthood Heb7 and all of the laws under this service like animal sacrifices and anything to do with forgiveness of sins that were contained in the handwriting or ordinances that were contrary and against Moses handwrote that were placed besides the ark of the covenant there as a witness against Deut 31:24-26

2 Cor 33:8and I will not again remove the foot of Israel from the land which I have appointed for your fathers—only if they are careful to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.”

Eph 2:15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,

2 Cor 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

These were shadows pointing to Christ Col2:17

Heb 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once [a]purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.

Animal sacrifices was a temporarily cure for sins until the Seed came.

Sin is still the same in both old and new testament

1 John3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Any of the Ten Commandments
James 2:11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

The commandments are quite broad Psa119:165 as Jesus taught from them Mat5:19-30 and there is not a law they do not cover.

God never intended man to eat animals, it was a consequence of sin, in heaven there will be no eating of animals and should we not prepare for that now? At the very least not eat what God clearly defined as an abomination to Him?

Thanks again! I will read and digest!

Regarding your last statement, if God didn't want us to eat animals, I don't think He would have served fish to the masses or made instructions on how to prepare meat etc.

I don't think He would do this if He considered eating animals a reflection of our sin. That actually seems quite scandalous to me!

SabbathBlessings · Wednesday at 10:47 AM

ChubbyCherub said:
Thanks again! I will read and digest!

Regarding your last statement, if God didn't want us to eat animals, I don't think He would have served fish to the masses or made instructions on how to prepare meat etc.

I don't think He would do this if He considered eating animals a reflection of our sin. That actually seems quite scandalous to me!

He permitted clean animals to eat, said not to eat the unclean. Jesus didn't eat unclean foods, neither did the apostles decades after the Cross Acts 10:14

ChubbyCherub · Wednesday at 10:49 AM

SabbathBlessings said:
He permitted clean animals to eat, said not to eat the unclean. Jesus didn't eat unclean foods, neither did the apostles decades after the Cross Acts 10:14

Ok, that makes sense! Thank you!

I wish, sometimes, I could talk to everyone in person or on video. Chat makes things so hard but I'm so grateful that you can see good intent in my questions and I really do appreciate your patience.

SabbathBlessings · Wednesday at 10:51 AM

ChubbyCherub said:
Ok, that makes sense! Thank you!

I wish, sometimes, I could talk to everyone in person or on video. Chat makes things so hard but I'm so grateful that you can see good intent in my questions and I really do appreciate your patience.

I appreciate you being open, I agree the internet can make things difficult at times. Keep praying on it and let His Word be the light to your path Psa119:105 and ignore the rest. Isa8:20

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