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I didn't say it was God
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we have reason to believe it had to be God -
we have reason to believe that God has revealed this to us
an agnostic doesn't knowYes we were put here by aliens 200,000 years ago and have progressed to this point.
do you agree that something had to start the universe?Good, so we can agree on something.
do you agree that the universe had a start?
do you believe that the universe started all by itself?Yes.
So far the evidence shows no need for a "something".do you believe that the universe started all by itself?
do you believe that it is possible to start all by itself?I don't know. Maybe it's always existed, governed by the laws of physics, and our experience is a result of these physical laws.
do you have evidence of something starting all by itself?So far the evidence shows no need for a "something".
that doesn't make senseWell, we're here, aren't we?
Just as I thought you wouldn't know, you latch on to what you want to believe then run with it.
Chriliman, you came into this in the middle, so let's back up and look at the conversation that led to this. Some have been arguing that it would be logically impossible for the laws and forces of nature--call it nature's god--to create anything, but it would be logically possible for God to do it. That is a bogus argument. It is special pleading to say the argument applies only if you capitalize the g. If it is logically possible for your God to do it, then it is logically possible for Hawking's god to do it.
You like your God's reason for doing it. Therefore your God did it? I don't think that is a valid argument.
Scientists have done an amazing job so far, so yes, I expect them to reveal more about origins.
But no, I don't expect them to ever understand origins fully.
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