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Which supports my theory that they do it subconsciously.I don't think many people care, unless their faith is based on '"literalism," otherwise no one else really notices.
Criliman,
I see no answer to my questions about what is meant when folks say God spoke the universe into existance. Literally "speaking" means moving one's mouth so it makes sound waves in the atmosphere that convey a message. Since there was no atmosphere, how could there be "speaking". I think you mean a metaphorical speaking, that somehow the spirit conveyed a message to the universe to tell it to start existing. Is that what you are referring to? A metaphorical "speaking"?
I think you mean he speaks metaphorically through his son. So I am going to assume that is what you mean for creation: spirit somehow conveyed the message to the universe to start existing.
If you believe that spirit somehow conveyed the message to the universe to start existing, then that is not a huge difference from the person who believes that the laws of nature, the hidden creative forces of reality, the expanding quantum state, or nature's god, somehow conveyed the message to the universe to start existing. They sound like the same general idea. So if you agree God can convey the message to the universe to start existing, why cannot another person believe that god did it? Yes you have a preference that it was God, not god, but that is different from the argument some have made here that god (the unseen laws and forces of nature) could not possibly have done it, for that would be creating something from nothing. But at the same time they say God could do it. That is special pleading. If you say it is possible for God with a capital G to do it, but not god with a small g, then you are putting far too much power into a simple capital letter, a simple proper name.
Agreed. By "nothingness" I meant an expanse of space with no matter. Do you believe that out of an expanse of space without matter a spiritual force caused the matter of the universe to start existing?
Again, by "nothingness" I mean the absence of matter. There are some who believe that before the universe, there was a constant stretching out of space time that always existed. That means that space itself was stretching out, so if at one moment you could mark two points in the vacuum and measure them, and come back minutes later, you would find those exact points were now further apart. Within this space time there was a quantum ripple that caused that expansion to drive great energy into a single spot that became the seed of the Big Bang. It is actually a reasonable assumption, since we have found that at the very beginning, the universe was going through a vast inflation in which the dimensions of space were stretching out at phenomenal rates, and quantum affects were predominate.
Since it appears that you are big into the idea that something in space (but not made of matter) somehow directed matter to start existing, are you open to this?
More like an opinion, as in 'I believe in angels and devils, and when people say/do things I don't agree with, it's debils.'Which supports my theory that they do it subconsciously.
Most scientists today are either demonically influenced or downright demon possessed.
Just my theory.
Fine ... call it an opinion then.More like an opinion, as in 'I believe in angels and devils, and when people say/do things I don't agree with, it's debils.'
Because I don't believe a word you said in Post 321:Why is what I believe so important to you?
That's a naive view, and only held by those who see conspiracy behind everything. Martyr's complex, I think they call it?
Thank you for also QEDing my assertion that it is easier to ridicule than answer questions.Right, because you see conspiracy behind anything that contradicts your naive literalism.
Do you at least admit, then, that you don't have a sincere interest in asking questions, but would rather asked closed ended questions to support your presupposed notions? I find your "questions" to be disingenuous to say the least.Thank you for also QEDing my assertion that it is easier to ridicule than answer questions.
I ask questions to try to get people to think about what they just said.Do you at least admit, then, that you don't have a sincere interest in asking questions, but would rather asked closed ended questions to support your presupposed notions? I find your "questions" to be disingenuous to say the least.
Because you ask closed-ended questions, which you intend to use as "gotcha" moments, rather than true discourse. Which is why, IMO, you find most people ridicule what you say. Unfortunately, you take this to mean you're correct, when you should take it to mean you're offensive. But I suspect you know this already, and your only reasons for commenting are to protect your untenable beliefs. It's why you're afraid of honest discussion.I ask questions to try to get people to think about what they just said.
When they don't answer, I assume they didn't think about it.
But when they refuse to answer ... like you're doing ... I think about something else.
Didn't Jesus answer questions with questions?Because you ask closed-ended questions,
That's why you're a mission field.We really don't know.
Then what's the problem with me doing it?What if he did?
How would you know it's God telling you to do it?How are you supposed to tell the difference between God and a "voice in your head"?I am afraid you are assuming and believing too much with very little to go on.
I don't expect you to answer either of these questions because to do so you would need to openly lie.
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