What are you going to do about this?

[woobadooba]

There is a lot of talk about the mark of the beast being a biochip.

In fact, it is believed that it is VeriChip http://www.verichipcorp.com/

Now, I'm not convinced of this just yet, just as I'm not convinced that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast.

But what are you going to do if the government requires that you implant this chip in your flesh? Will you do it?

I don't feel comfortable with this for three reasons:

1. It will be too easy for them to invade your privacy.
2. It could possibly have an adverse effect on your health over a long period of time.
3. The government could very easily use this devise to control people at will. In other words, it could just be a ploy for them to present it to the public as that which is merely designed to provide people with vital information about yourself if you're in need of medical attention. Yet, there could be a hidden agenda on the part of the governing bodies which enforce its implantation to use it as a means to manipulate and control the people with whom it has been implanted to carry out their bidding, whatever that may be. This is not hard to believe either, especially since we're so technologically advanced these days.

What do you think about all of this?

As for me, I'm not going to accept it, mostly for reason number 3.

 

[Sunrunner]

I don't believe that it is the Mark of the Beast, but I would not feel comfortable taking it.

Also, the Adventist understanding of the Mark is an interesting concept. It is not just corporate worship on Sunday, it is deeper than that. There are two religious mindsets (I believe):

Sabbath rest (Matthew 11:28-30): obedience to God (major theme with blatant disregard to the Law) and spiritual trust/confidence in God

Sunday rest: traditions of man, disregard for God's Law, trust in man

 

[woobadooba]

I don't believe that it is the Mark of the Beast, but I would not feel comfortable taking it.

Also, the Adventist understanding of the Mark is an interesting concept. It is not just corporate worship on Sunday, it is deeper than that. There are two religious mindsets (I believe):

Sabbath rest (Matthew 11:28-30): obedience to God (major theme with blatant disregard to the Law) and spiritual trust/confidence in God

Sunday rest: traditions of man, disregard for God's Law, trust in man

Yeah, I see the mark of the beast as pertaining to the adoption of a human-centered philosophy which operates under the guise of a pseudo Christian identity. Hence, the number of a man.

I could see how Sunday worship could play a role in this, but I don't see Sunday worship itself as being the mark of the beast.

 

[Sophia7]

There is a lot of talk about the mark of the beast being a biochip.

In fact, it is believed that it is VeriChip http://www.verichipcorp.com/

Now, I'm not convinced of this just yet, just as I'm not convinced that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast.

But what are you going to do if the government requires that you implant this chip in your flesh? Will you do it?

I don't feel comfortable with this for three reasons:

1. It will be too easy for them to invade your privacy.
2. It could possibly have an adverse effect on your health over a long period of time.
3. The government could very easily use this devise to control people at will. In other words, it could just be a ploy for them to present it to the public as that which is merely designed to provide people with vital information about yourself if you're in need of medical attention. Yet, there could be a hidden agenda on the part of the governing bodies which enforce its implantation to use it as a means to manipulate and control the people with whom it has been implanted to carry out their bidding, whatever that may be. This is not hard to believe either, especially since we're so technologically advanced these days.

What do you think about all of this?

As for me, I'm not going to accept it, mostly for reason number 3.

Whether it has anything to do with the mark of the beast or not, I wouldn't do it. I agree with your reasons for thinking that it would be a bad idea.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

I mostly don't want it because of reason #1. I despise the government and the idiots in it and I don't like the humans having too much information on me or access to me ... NOT because I'm a criminal or have anything to hide, mind you (I'm not, and I don't) but because I believe privacy is the most fundamental right of a law-abiding citizen next to LIBERTY and AUTONOMY. The system is intrusive enough as it is. No WAY are they getting inside my BODY. Just NO WAY

 

[Dathen]

Now, I'm not convinced of this just yet, just as I'm not convinced that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast.

amen. That is the mark and the seal of God is keeping the Sabbath.

 

[capnator]

Should buy some shares in that company lol

 

[StormyOne]

There is a lot of talk about the mark of the beast being a biochip.

In fact, it is believed that it is VeriChip http://www.verichipcorp.com/

Now, I'm not convinced of this just yet, just as I'm not convinced that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast.

But what are you going to do if the government requires that you implant this chip in your flesh? Will you do it?

I don't feel comfortable with this for three reasons:

1. It will be too easy for them to invade your privacy.
2. It could possibly have an adverse effect on your health over a long period of time.
3. The government could very easily use this devise to control people at will. In other words, it could just be a ploy for them to present it to the public as that which is merely designed to provide people with vital information about yourself if you're in need of medical attention. Yet, there could be a hidden agenda on the part of the governing bodies which enforce its implantation to use it as a means to manipulate and control the people with whom it has been implanted to carry out their bidding, whatever that may be. This is not hard to believe either, especially since we're so technologically advanced these days.

What do you think about all of this?

As for me, I'm not going to accept it, mostly for reason number 3.

they don't need to implant a chip.... they could put something in the water, the food supply, that could give them control of people....

I will agree with you that the mark of the beast is not sunday observance, just as the seal of God is not sabbath observance.... but that of course is another thread is it not?

 

[woobadooba]

they don't need to implant a chip.... they could put something in the water, the food supply, that could give them control of people....

Yeah, but then they would run the risk of drinking, or eating it themselves at some point. Something like this would have to be consumed on a continuum in order to maintain control of the people. Certainly those who want to control others would not want to be controlled themselves. They could just simply accept a decoy implant that isn't programmed as such to avoid suspicion of the people that they (if this is the case) will to control. It makes a lot more sense this way.

 

[Cliff2]

Perhaps we should start a thread on what we all think the "mark of the beast" is.

 

[woobadooba]

Perhaps we should start a thread on what we all think the "mark of the beast" is.

I have no problem with people discussing it in this thread.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

I think the heart or essence of the "mark of the beast" is any rationale human beings can invent for pursuing the course of coercion or manipulation of another in matters of conscience. I realize that's a very broad definition; it is intended to be. It goes far beyond merely currying socio-political favor with the State and using the auspices and military power of the State to enforce conformity to one particular religion on everyone. It goes to the very heart and essence of the spirit that would be behind such an effort, and touches all places where such a spirit might manifest -- from social manipulations among small groups of friends to verbal pulpit-bullying and spiritual abuse on an individual, one-on-one level. Anywhere man from the flesh sets up an arbitrary point of control over his fellow man, and (a) judges the meaning of his choices and actions to be X, and then (b) demands he cease X, when X may have no meaning to him personally whatsoever and he is befuddled as to how anyone could derive meaning X from his life? -- there we see spiritual abuse in action, and catch a glimpse of this elusive hollow monster we call the Mark of the Beast.

 

[Cliff2]

This thread is not really on the "mark of the beast". That is the problem and I would imagine that it would be far better to start a new thread just on that topic.

Thread drift is always a problem.

 

[woobadooba]

This thread is not really on the "mark of the beast". That is the problem and I would imagine that it would be far better to start a new thread just on that topic.

Thread drift is always a problem.

But this is my thread, and I have no problem with a minor digression, since it's still associated with the topic.

 

[Jimlarmore]

The UPC and or magnetic strip number used on standard credit cards or debit cards can give a computer all the information it needs on you. Once a card is scanned a computer can pull up and scan a huge data base that contains information on you that you would be surprized that they knew right now already. The Bible says that at the end of time those who refuse to receive this mark will not be allowed to buy or sell and it won't matter how influencial or powerful you are. That tells me that the computer will be used in enforcing this. How else can they be indescriminant ( ms ) to the whole world? If they control your food they can control you period. Of course we know that the Lord promises that our bread and water will be sure. So we don't need to worry, we just need to have faith in Him.

To me the big question is not what the mark will be. I think the Bible makes it very clear that it will be over the way we worship. To me in our current state of world affairs I am seeing how a world wide ecumenical movement could sweep the globe like no other time in history. How can that be? Terrorism. Remember the massive church attendance we saw in America right after 9-11? Imagine how it may be after ( God forbid this ever happens ) several nukes get detonated in key cities thru out the U.S. Canada, the U.K. and the rest of the free world?

Many of the ultra conservative religious factions wanting to take over government now will be screaming to have their way in the affairs of state to bring us back to God so this aweful plague will cease. Many of the Islamic countries may be nuked in retaliation and the whole world will be looking for religious guidance to get back on track and back in favor with the Lord. Who best to do that than the leader of the universal church? Something to think about.


God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[Telaquapacky]

Nah. There will be no forced implanting of chips in ordinary citizens. There would be too much secular opposition, and it could turn violent.

Look at Exodus 13:9,16. The mark on forehead and hand symbolism was first used as an idiom to describe how conscientious God wants us to be about keeping His law. Revelation 14:12 indicates that the result of the mark of the beast is a specific challenge to Christians who keep God's law. Is there any part of God's law which keeping it creates situations for Christians in which they may lose their jobs or not be able to buy or sell? The fourth commandment, of course. And look at all the "rest" symbolism- those who accept the mark have no rest day or night (Revelation 14:11), whereas, those who die in the Lord at the time of the mark of the beast will rest, and according to the Spirit, their works will follow them (Revelation 14:13). Which commandment is about rest? Is this merely a coincidence? Or is it a coincidence that the first angel's message is about worshipping the Creator, using language imbedded in the fourth commandment? Someone is ignoring an elephant in the room. Once you really know what Revelation 14 is about, it practically screams at you.

I'm not sure that the mark of the beast is a National Sunday Law. But I am positive that it will be something that selectively hurts Sabbath-keepers. Sabbath-keepers already live in conditions in our society that disqualify us from many occupational opportunities and threaten our ability to continue to participate in commerce, simply because the majority are Sunday-observers. I don't think it would even require a Sunday Law- just some very minor changes that most citizens would not even notice- to create some very dire straits for Sabbath-keepers.

But the issue that will divide the sheep from the goats is not what day you worship on. It is whether you will obey every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. I agree with Jimlarmore- God will always take care of those who honor Him.