What are the qualifications for being chosen?

[Ormly]

Can one choose that he might be chosen? What are the qualifications for being chosen?

David declared this as to what he would do:

I will bless the Lord at all times: his praise shall continually be in my mouth.
My soul shall make her boast in the Lord: the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad.
O magnify the Lord with me, and let us exalt his name together.
I sought the Lord, and he heard me, and delivered me from all my fears. Psalm 34:1-4 (KJV)

When did David determine this and could it have been when he was but shepherd boy?
I wonder, who else could have written that passage besides David?

Does one have to be born again to be saved or is being born again for something deeper in God than has been presented by the theologians?

For instance: I believe Nicodemus was already saved before he came to inquire of Jesus. He was justified by his faith in God per Romans 5:1. . . However, had he died before Jesus was crucified, he would have gone to Paradise, the abode of the dead, where Abraham and all who died in faith in God went before being set free by Jesus, when He descended into that place and to release them held by death. The scriptures clearly teach this about them as being those "captives" Jesus literally, bodily, as opposed to us who are set free by faith, set free. I believe to be the first resurrection of which we are included by faith, resurrected in "newness of life". ". . . we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life." Romans 6:4 (KJV)

So what about now? Does one automatically get "re-born in Christ" simply because he is persuaded to believe in Christ as the Son of God and says a sinners prayer or is there more to it than "meets the eye"?

Your thoughts??

 

[wayseer]

Can one choose that he might be chosen?

No - In his mercy God has chosen all.

What are the qualifications for being chosen?

That you are a human.

Does one have to be born again to be saved

No.

Your thoughts??

Read Athanasius.

 

[Ormly]

No - In his mercy God has chosen all.



That you are a human.



No.



Read Athanasius.

You mean I need to go outside the bible to be set straight in all this?

I believe you need to read the bible because what I asked can only be found within its pages.

 

[riverrat]

Ormly wrote:

What are the qualifications for being chosen?

Belief in the Gospel, 1 Cor. 15:1-3

 

[Fireinfolding]

Ormly wrote:



Belief in the Gospel, 1 Cor. 15:1-3

 

[Sebbcho]

When you are born again you are saved yes... and that person has the Spirit in them which is like a fountain of flowing water. That is your reassurance, the Spirit and the words promise. In other words if you trust in God he will come to you; albeit you need to believe in the gospel. Many people have many gospels though.. how lucky do you feel? Don't leave it up to yourself and humble yourself. Does God help those who think they know it all? Or are strong? When Paul was recalling in the past he said 'sinners of whom i am chief' he said he used to be the worst sinner in the world. Yet in other places it shows him that he followed the law blamessly. Do you understand now? It doesn't matter how good one thinks of him self, they should throw away their righteousness, believe in Gods word and trust it completely. If you honestly want to be born again then you would read Luke 24:44. Christ said he came to fulfill three things : the law moses gave, the prophets, and the psalms. Many people disregard the law moses gave, if that gives you any hints.

You get born again when you believe in the truth as it is said in 1 john 5:6. He came by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness because the Spirit is TRUTH. You can't be born again through unrequited love for God or some idealistic way you should think you should believe in God. It's stated he came by water and blood. His baptism and his crucifixion in other words are required to believe in for salvation. That is how you get him to manifest himself to you

 

[wayseer]

You mean I need to go outside the bible to be set straight in all this?

Yes.

I believe you need to read the bible because what I asked can only be found within its pages.

The devil also believes in the Bible - good luck.

You still need to read Athanasius - he is a lot easier to read than the Bible.

 

[Ormly]

Yes.

The devil also believes in the Bible - good luck.

Yes__ and he trembles at the conclusions found within its pages.

You still need to read Athanasius - he is a lot easier to read than the Bible.

Perhaps but, if he is leading those who read him away from "biblical truths" what good can possibly be the outcome of embracing his way of reasoning?

 

[Ormly]

Ormly wrote:



Belief in the Gospel, 1 Cor. 15:1-3

Well, as Wayseer wrote: The devil believes that much and more.

 

[Ormly]

When you are born again you are saved yes... and that person has the Spirit in them which is like a fountain of flowing water. That is your reassurance, the Spirit and the words promise. In other words if you trust in God he will come to you; albeit you need to believe in the gospel. Many people have many gospels though.. how lucky do you feel? Don't leave it up to yourself and humble yourself. Does God help those who think they know it all? Or are strong? When Paul was recalling in the past he said 'sinners of whom i am chief' he said he used to be the worst sinner in the world. Yet in other places it shows him that he followed the law blamessly. Do you understand now? It doesn't matter how good one thinks of him self, they should throw away their righteousness, believe in Gods word and trust it completely. If you honestly want to be born again then you would read Luke 24:44. Christ said he came to fulfill three things : the law moses gave, the prophets, and the psalms. Many people disregard the law moses gave, if that gives you any hints.

You get born again when you believe in the truth as it is said in 1 john 5:6. He came by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness because the Spirit is TRUTH. You can't be born again through unrequited love for God or some idealistic way you should think you should believe in God. It's stated he came by water and blood. His baptism and his crucifixion in other words are required to believe in for salvation. That is how you get him to manifest himself to you

I read it as being Jesus chooses me for to be born again__ not for salvation from hell for which I choose Him, but for discipleship. He says this: If any man would follow Me let him hate everything but Me. Now, obviously, the if in that from Him, leaves it up to the individual after being saved, wouldn't you say? We both know many folk who have made a profession of faith but never speak of Jesus. Ever wonder why?

 

[wayseer]

Perhaps but, if he is leading those who read him away from "biblical truths" what good can possibly be the outcome of embracing his way of reasoning?

Because you need to understand the difference between scripture and tradition.

You need to read Athanasius because no one has surpassed him on elucidating the nature of soteriology and the doctrine of the Trinity - all of which are biblically based.

 

[Ormly]

Because you need to understand the difference between scripture and tradition.

You need to read Athanasius because no one has surpassed him on elucidating the nature of soteriology and the doctrine of the Trinity - all of which are biblically based.

Biblically based? That is debatable simply because of the translations on which he based his findings, i.e., critical Greek without Apostolic signature. 4th century exegete by an Egyptian catholic can hardly be relied upon to deliver the goods concerning all things Jesus Christ. Having said that, I already know the difference between scripture and tradition. My opinion is also biblically based and it isn't based upon Coptic appraisal.

 

[MrPolo]

So what about now? Does one automatically get "re-born in Christ" simply because he is persuaded to believe in Christ as the Son of God and says a sinners prayer or is there more to it than "meets the eye"?

Of course inheriting heaven goes beyond annunciating a "sinner's prayer." That is not a Biblical concept that that's "all you have to do." One can have a point of repentance but we must persist and endure till the end, and do the will of God to inherit heaven (Mt 7:21).

As to David, he can't really "cause" God to choose him, but God saw David's "heart" and in His sovereignty selected David. (1 Sam 16:7). God accepts the faith of His people not because He is compelled to, but because He is a loving and merciful God.

 

[Ormly]

Of course inheriting heaven goes beyond annunciating a "sinner's prayer." That is not a Biblical concept that that's "all you have to do." One can have a point of repentance but we must persist and endure till the end, and do the will of God to inherit heaven (Mt 7:21).

Persist in what?

As to David, he can't really "cause" God to choose him, but God saw David's "heart" and in His sovereignty selected David. (1 Sam 16:7). God accepts the faith of His people not because He is compelled to, but because He is a loving and merciful God.

"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." Hebrews 11:6 (KJV)

I don't believe nor do I read where David was ever looking to be chosen by anyone, therefore, being declared by God, "a man after his own heart", reaches beyond David's ambitions and into the realm of worshiping God, the which God seeks. I don't believe the sovereignty of God chose David but, His love. That, I believe, takes it to a deeper dimension.

I believe this for Abraham and Moses as well. Consider also, Joseph. I ask, can God deny his own? Having said that, what does being born again have to do with it? . . or is being so for a deeper dimension unto the Father that otherwise, cannot be attained by any man, even one after God's own heart?

 

[Robert83]

Well if you believe in Jesus. you get eternal life. but not every man believes. my advice would be to get rid of all your worldly possessions. stop being greedy if you are. because the kingdom of heaven is like a pearl that one man traded all he had for. Jesus is the truth you must believe in Jesus.... you must believe in the truth before you can inherit eternal life.

if you are rich remember this......It is as hard for a rich man to get into heaven as it is for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle.

if you are poor remember this...... Blessed are the poor for thiers is the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Ormly]

Well if you believe in Jesus. you get eternal life. but not every man believes. my advice would be to get rid of all your worldly possessions. stop being greedy if you are. because the kingdom of heaven is like a pearl that one man traded all he had for. Jesus is the truth you must believe in Jesus.... you must believe in the truth before you can inherit eternal life.

But the devil believes that. There must be something to it.

if you are rich remember this......It is as hard for a rich man to get into heaven as it is for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle.

if you are poor remember this...... Blessed are the poor for thiers is the kingdom of heaven.

What do you mean by poor or rich? Can you open all that up for a more adequate approach to the truth of it all? What kind of 'being rich or poor' are you alluding to?

 

[riverrat]

Robert83 wrote:

Chosen???

Well if you believe in Jesus. you get eternal life. but not every man believes. my advice would be to get rid of all your worldly possessions. stop being greedy if you are. because the kingdom of heaven is like a pearl that one man traded all he had for. Jesus is the truth you must believe in Jesus.... you must believe in the truth before you can inherit eternal life.

if you are rich remember this......It is as hard for a rich man to get into heaven as it is for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle.

if you are poor remember this...... Blessed are the poor for thiers is the kingdom of heaven.

What do you mean by "believing in Jesus" ?