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What are the Dynamics between Neuroscience & Biblical Gender/Sexuality

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Could some's same-sex attraction stem from them being made for masculine-women/feminine-men, of body &/or of mind (neuroscience of MBTI/Enneagram/etc.)? and what does that mean for those dispositioned to same-sex intimacies (anal for men/clitoral only for women/etc.) since sex is in-part to stave off sin & the opposite bodies aren't complementary in those ways (or are they)?
[please answer under the premise some LGBTQ+ attractions are born/not derivative from pride]
Would there be any use (outside of procreation/etc.) for a LGBTQ+ Christian to continually fight for opposite-sex attraction for marriage, since it won't be helping them & likely be a burden on the spouse? Should those with genuine propensity to the same-sex fall under the eunuchs scriptural advisories?
I believe science every bit as much as scripture, and under the assumption these sciences a true, the 2 seem to contradict, but contradictions are often just misunderstood dynamics. Can the two be understood together, ideally using scripture? must one rule out/redefine the other, or God's reasoning have no human-comprehensible reasoning?
Yes, MBTI (& maybe/likely enneagram too) are neuroscientifically substantial.

I'm trying to explore all avenues for in depth scriptural understanding on topics of priority in today's society. I want to conclude the best ways to help people, bring them to God, etc..
Unfortunately, in order for me to understand something, I must explore it in this way. Hopeing this is a place to ask such questions, as it seems these types are unwelcomed with most Christians. It's preventing me from gaining further comprehension of other topics (everything is connected) which is needed for me to do anything of use. Basically, I'm desperate in gaining help. Thanks!
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Neuroscience helps us to understand the evolution of the brain. Male and female goes back almost to when life began. Long before Humans came along.
 
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There are people who still may think sexual preference is caused by genes.

But I have been told of how identical twins can have very different personalities.

And I understand that a preference is in your heart. It has to do with what your heart desires. And your heart is spiritual, not decided by physical genes.

So, how then do we get our different preferences which are included in the make-up of our personalities? Siblings can tend to want pleasure, but they don't want conflict and competition to spoil it; so they can tend to adopt different interests, with different personality ways which adjust themselves to one another.

And we all were born in sin; so all of us started off wrong. Even if our sexual orientation might have been "correct", still how we could tend to act on it was wrong.

A common error, I think, is how people think it can be of God to be attracted to a variety of women. But my opinion now is that true sexual attraction is not about what someone else looks like and how the person may charm you. But your Biblical attraction has to do with desiring to reproduce children who are pleasing to and obedient to God > Malachi 2:14-15.

So, a Biblical attraction would be to a person who can be an example for bringing up your children right. And you would learn with one another how to relate so your children can feed on your example so they can grow up knowing how to love in a close relationship.

Therefore, even a lot of heterosexual cultural stuff is not connected with this. For example, there is a major degradation of men because of their beauty discrimination. They do not know how to love each and every woman, but prefer ones more like they want women to look. So, their attraction is to looks and not to reproducing children who know how to love.

And because children grow up not finding out how to love, their main preference is for pleasure which can be quite a treasure for them, since they desperately want to feel something nicer than their deep low-down awful feelings and drives of sin . . . their selfishness-infected nature. And so they isolate themselves with someone or a group who help them get the pleasure they want.

And so, ones with same-sex attraction do not have a true sexual attraction; because they are not about reproducing children of God, who know how to love. They can be mainly about how to get pleasure; sexual sensations are intense, nice feeling, and fairly easy to get; so they, like various other pleasures can be very sought after.

Food abuse is another very degrading pleasure seeking thing. And drugs can be intense, easy to get maybe, and nice feeling.

But physical pleasure can not solve our problem of not being satisfied by God's love, plus pleasure can not cure our weakness which makes it so easy to drag us into seeking pleasure. And this weakness for pleasure moonlights as weakness to suffer various sorts of pain.

Only Jesus can cure this.

"'Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:28-29)
 
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Sex drive is something of the body, a drive to pleasure for reproduction. God created this drive, as he did the pleasure from sex & many things. It is a love for God that we can resist sin (simply put). God doesn't forbid all pleasures, so long as this does not interfere with us living our life for him (which basically includes rejecting sin & sharing his word). "Don't accomplish more things to be happy, be happy to accomplish more things." The drive for most pleasures stem from Pride, as you emphasized, but the drive for sexual pleasure is more innate. This is why God allows the privelagde of marriage, a holy means to continually resist sexual temptations. That's part of the point of marriage, same as offspring can be, but overall, married life often holds people back from living as God intended. Whether or not someone should marry (after redemption) seems to be based on whether or not it will hinder the walk with Christ they were made for + what beneifits it will bring to that walk + whether they can (without hinderance) offer themselves for such purposes of another Christian.
1st Corinthians 7:1-39 - Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 7:1-39 - Easy-to-Read Version.

MBTI is not merily about personality, but how the brain functions. It appears God makes humans to serve a role in civilization, same as he created Man & Woman for a specific reproductive role. The different traits that typically come with men & women, aid that role in raising children, but he gives both genders the traits to excell in different areas of civilization (far fewer), which results in them having the traits typically designated for child rearing opposite to their biological sex. How we percieve masculinity & femininity today, as in prefering Pink or Blue for example, is nothing more than made up. However, the traits typically designed for reproductive purposes do result in a propensity to some of those things people nowadays deem feminine & masculine. When that doesn't align for the few, the asscoiation they have to that gender & traits, make them believe they are the opposite gender &/or want to be like that gender (for practical fitting in purposes or to feel accurate for themselves). The only true difference between men & women is the phisical body. The innate sexual drive is often toward the opposite sex that look physically fit to bare good children/bare children well, and the mind's innate desire is typically attracted to opposites "opposites atrract", to equal out the roles needed for raising children. Yes, people don't often focus on the right things, and when being so animalistic, it desn't turn out right. That's not what I'm talking about though. It makes sense that a more feminine-male/masculine-female would be innately attracted to same sex or the a masculine female/feminine-male of their opposite sex; that, or being attracted to someone alike themself if they're a more inbetween brain-type. They would seem to equal them out. Likewise, humans were provided with two types of genitailia that are complamentary to one another, but also, features that aren't.

So basically, what I'm asking:
Are mind's also made to be complementary? Are females with masculine brain-types & males with feminine brain-types part of God's original design or eunuchs/a deformity/etc. to begin with? Should Christians who prefer physical sexual pleasure not complimented by the opposite sex, seek it out in the opposite sex (like say through sex toys, for example) - would that be a sin, not being part of what God allows for staving off sexual desires? [If they're eunuchs, it may be debatable about whether or not they're allowed that privilage, so I suspect it's important to define whether or not such people full under the eunuchs biblical advisories.] Some would argue that people should marry under the premiss of limited resources (Christain people) for someone else to stave off their desire, but would there be a purpose (see my first post), if said person had other desires? If feminine-men/masculine-women are part of God's design, why would they be limited to the opposite sex (& very few options due to rarety), or is that an indicator that they aren't part of God's original design?


Sorry I didn't include this info to start with, as I typed the question for Quora initially, but figured answers would prompt me needing to clarify anyway, along with prompting my specific thoughts that I couldn't think of when starting this thread.
Please excuse typos, I don't have time right now to proof read what I'd wager you can make out, & my spell-check + Grammerly are neither one workring.
 
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