What America needs is another Party

2tim_215 · Jul 17, 2018

When I look at both the Republicans and the Democrats I don't think that either party offers a viable candidate. last Presidential election, Hillary was a horrible choice and Trump was too much of an unknown. I look at both parties and see them from a biblical standpoint as the Pharisees (Republicans or Conservatives) and Sadducees (Democrats or Liberals) and either not much of a choice. What we need is an Independent Party where whoever it is who runs is not beholden to either groups ideology. Then maybe we can elect someone who's going to meet the peoples needs. In any case, that's my personal opinion.

brinny · Jul 17, 2018

2tim_215 said:
When I look at both the Republicans and the Democrats I don't think that either part offers a viable candidate. last Presidential election, Hillary was a horrible choice and Trump was too much of an unknown. I look at both parties and see them from a biblical standpoint as the Pharisees (Republicans or Conservatives) and Sadducees (Democrats or Liberals) and either not much of a choice. What we need is an Independent Party where whoever it is who runs is not beholden to either groups ideology. Then maybe we can elect someone who's going to meet the peoples needs. In any case, that's my personal opinion.

Thank you for sharing.

Good luck with that.

Albion · Jul 17, 2018

The Libertarian Party is here and on the ballot in every state. And it is neither far left nor far right.

Speedwell · Jul 17, 2018

A Labor party.

The Democrats haven't had anything to say to labor in decades. They play identity politics and only address the elites of the various identity groups--blacks, latinos, LGBTs, women, etc.

But the truth is that the working class have more in common with each other as workers, regardless of race, ethnicity or gender, than they do with the elites of their respective identity groups.

The Republicans got a good chunk of that vote last time by default and because of social issues on which much of the working class takes a conservative stance.

But let's say the Christian Right gets what it wants on abortion and gay marriage. The rest of their social agenda has much less clout with socially conservative workers, and is much less likely to be a barrier between them and social liberal workers.

That will be the time for a labor party.

SkyWriting · Jul 17, 2018

2tim_215 said:
When I look at both the Republicans and the Democrats I don't think that either part offers a viable candidate. last Presidential election, Hillary was a horrible choice and Trump was too much of an unknown. I look at both parties and see them from a biblical standpoint as the Pharisees (Republicans or Conservatives) and Sadducees (Democrats or Liberals) and either not much of a choice. What we need is an Independent Party where whoever it is who runs is not beholden to either groups ideology. Then maybe we can elect someone who's going to meet the peoples needs. In any case, that's my personal opinion.

A Screen Actors Guild Party might work.

Goonie · Jul 17, 2018

I would suggest the Monster Raving Loony Party, but it’s probably far to sane and sensible to compete against the other parties.

W2L · Jul 17, 2018

Show me a politician who follows the Lords teaching. The Lord said to not be anxious about our life because God cares for us and will take care of us. The apostle paul teaches that we should not be anxious for anything, but in ALL THINGS pray. What politician follows that? None that i have seen, they all preach about how they will make our life better themselves if we vote for them. God is no where in the picture.

Tanj · Jul 17, 2018

2tim_215 said:
I look at both parties and see them from a biblical standpoint as the Pharisees (Republicans or Conservatives) and Sadducees (Democrats or Liberals)

Fascinating. What does that mean? What's the difference between a Pharisee and a Sadducee? I am genuinely interested in your stratification analysis.

2tim_215 · Jul 17, 2018

I guess people forget that Perot ran as an Independent and might have won had the Republicans not dug up dirt on his family. Even so, he got 20 million votes after dropping out. It's probably what tipped the balance and allowed Clinton (a relative nobody) to beat out Bush Sr that election. I think that there's a strong Independent attitude in this country which could have an impact if it formed.

2tim_215 · Jul 17, 2018

Albion said:
The Libertarian Party is here and on the ballot in every state. And it is neither far left nor far right.

That would be the ideal party for Trump since Rand Paul is the only Republican who went along with that atrocity of Trump's in Helsinki.

JackRT · Jul 17, 2018

Tanj said:
Fascinating. What does that mean? What's the difference between a Pharisee and a Sadducee? I am genuinely interested in your stratification analysis.

I thought exactly the same. It doesn't take a great deal of historical or biblical understanding to realize that the Sadducees were the ultra conservatives and reactionaries bought and paid for by the establishment. The Pharisees on the other hand were the most liberal and progressive. 2 tim seems to be a little confused over 1st century Judaean politics.

Desk trauma · Jul 17, 2018

2tim_215 said:
That would be the ideal party for Trump since Rand Paul is the only Republican who went along with that atrocity of Trump's in Helsinki.

No, it really wouldn't be.

Tiberius Lee · Jul 17, 2018

I don’t think a 3rd party or 4th party will solve the political problem we have in US. Look at Europe and other parliamentarian system. Problem is people just don’t believe in compromise any more. They stick to their party line and ideology and can’t seems to accept different point of view.

But I think there is even bigger issue which is causing all the turmoil, that is the Sunset of Western Economic Power. For 4 to 5 hundred years Western economy dominated the world, but now the East is rising and soon they will dominate the economic world. East didn’t rise out of vacuum but by hard labor , improving themselves, investing in education and future. Look at Asian Americans in USA, they are the most educated and high income ethnic group in US. On the other hand what the western society doing, they look back and remember the manufacturing job their father and grandfather did and lived American dream, they think in 21st century they can do the same. Rather than going to educate themselves for 21st century ,they dream about working in manufacturing jobs. But that ship has sailed long ago and those jobs are not coming back to Philadelphia or Manchester or Munich. Instead looking inward and realize that western citizen needs to educate themselves to 21st century economy they blame globalization, trade, immigrants. And then comes Trump or Sanders or some right wing politician in Europe and say “ it’s not your fault, it’s the immigrant, it’s the trade, and I will bring your job back, you can go back to work in steel mills” and they believe him. He is the savior who finally see their pain.

West need another Renaissance in the West.

wing2000 · Jul 17, 2018

2tim_215 said:
When I look at both the Republicans and the Democrats I don't think that either part offers a viable candidate. last Presidential election, Hillary was a horrible choice and Trump was too much of an unknown. I look at both parties and see them from a biblical standpoint as the Pharisees (Republicans or Conservatives) and Sadducees (Democrats or Liberals) and either not much of a choice. What we need is an Independent Party where whoever it is who runs is not beholden to either groups ideology. Then maybe we can elect someone who's going to meet the peoples needs. In any case, that's my personal opinion.

Agreed. But first, we need to end private financing of our elections. Otherwise, the new party nominees will be expected to raise millions of dollars from the very interest who are funding the Republican and Democratic parties....

Shiloh Raven · Jul 17, 2018

Goonie said:
I would suggest the Monster Raving Loony Party, but it’s probably far to sane and sensible to compete against the other parties.

I second that! Wait... is this up for a vote?!

drjean · Jul 17, 2018

Is it really a new party we need (been there, done that, didn't work)? Or would a return to the original parties be more in tune to our societal needs? Let's face it, the democratic party has been highjacked so far left one cannot truly delineate it from a socialist movement...and the republican party has similarly moved so far left that it more resembles "my father's democratic party" than the democratic party currently does!

JackRT · Jul 17, 2018

Canada has been well served by having a strong socialist party.

mark kennedy · Jul 17, 2018

2tim_215 said:
When I look at both the Republicans and the Democrats I don't think that either part offers a viable candidate. last Presidential election, Hillary was a horrible choice and Trump was too much of an unknown. I look at both parties and see them from a biblical standpoint as the Pharisees (Republicans or Conservatives) and Sadducees (Democrats or Liberals) and either not much of a choice. What we need is an Independent Party where whoever it is who runs is not beholden to either groups ideology. Then maybe we can elect someone who's going to meet the peoples needs. In any case, that's my personal opinion.

What we have needed is a Labor party like they have in England. During Tony Blair's as their PM and the Labor firmly in the majority, they reformed their version of what we call social security. Instead of leaving it in the treasury where it's looted by bommitte they turned it into a conservative mutual fund that did amazingly well, yielding significantly higher returns. If you don't want to work go home, we will send you a check, take a job and you will make bank. Liberals use government as bureaucratic cash cows for social programs. Republican are pro status quo, industrial military complex loyalists, if your not making six figures a year your no on their radar. We need a Labor party to join with small business and political moderates and they would turn the world upside down.

Albion · Jul 17, 2018

2tim_215 said:
That would be the ideal party for Trump since Rand Paul is the only Republican who went along with that atrocity of Trump's in Helsinki.

Some third party perhaps, but not the Libertarian Party. However, I think you're wrong about Trump being isolated in the Republican Party. The base is solid for him, even though the establishment types are not--exactly as it has been since the primaries in 2016.

Nithavela · Jul 17, 2018

What america needs is a political system that makes other parties viable. THEN other parties will automatically follow.

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