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What about the differences between chimps and humans?

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The lack of evidence for natural selection acting on random mutation being responsible for the complexity and diversity of life should be enough to seek an alternative, God's Word.
The weakness in your argument is that the volume of evidence in favour of evolution is greater than you could properly study in a lifetime.
If I concede, for argument's sake, the existence of the Christian God, then God wrote his message in two places: Scripture and the World. The Bible says nothing about evolution, while the world declares its existence and its character in a clear voice that resonates throughout nature. I've never understood why Creationists choose to ignore that word of God.
 
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Um ... where?

Here's an example:

Luke 1:5
In the time of Herod king of Judea there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah; his wife Elizabeth was also a descendant of Aaron.
 
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Would you prefer "formless matter to man " ?
Or " goo to you?"
 
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Ok, just drag out the designer. Prop him up right here and have him explain what happened. If you can't then the likelihood of there being a designer is close to zero.

I'll tell you what, there was a designer. It's called evolution. Your skepticism of it changes nothing.
 
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Buzzwords and childish memes are not a shield for drivel but are a waste of time.
Using " buzzwords" simplifies otherwise long boring posts.
Not everyone knows what I mean if I say I don't believe in evolution.
If I say I reject " muck to man" evolution they hopefully understand that I don't mean species don't change at all.
And you all do it all the time, by claiming for example that creationist reject science. Not true of course but it's easier than typing out the so called science they actually reject.
 
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I'll tell you what, there was a designer. It's called evolution. Your skepticism of it changes nothing.
Quite amusing. A series of blind mutations " designed" everything?
That's not how design works in the real world. We have to plan, make a blueprint, check it twice, do the math, and so on.
In essence, you're saying it just happened with none of that, just because, for no discernible reason.
 
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Buzzwords and childish memes are not a shield for drivel but are a waste of time.

So is humouring the source, which I quit doing some time back.

If I ever need a dose, I've an uncle who was red guard,
cultural rev., Mao all the way, and never got over it.

Do NOT get him started (if you speak Chinese), unless,
well..just don't.
 
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I am just filtering your anti-science rhetoric to what it is and that drivel. And just like AIG, EvolutionNews, UncommonDesent, etc, you miserably fail to present a cogent argument against the ToE.
 
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I am just filtering your anti-science rhetoric to what it is and that drivel. And just like AIG, EvolutionNews, UncommonDesent, etc, you miserably fail to present a cogent argument against the ToE.
And you miserably fail to make the ToE sound even close to plausible.
 
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I am just filtering your anti-science rhetoric to what it is and that drivel. And just like AIG, EvolutionNews, UncommonDesent, etc, you miserably fail to present a cogent argument against the ToE.
k

Out of all the research in all the institutions on
earth, in health, physics, geology, all fields of
biology, in chemistry...
Nobody has ever come across data that is
contrary to ToE.

The one that does will have a Nobel winner
on their faculty.

And it sure won't be a creationist who stumbles
across it.

It's so unfair to expect a creationist to argue with facts.

We are though very impressed when says something
to the effect of, " Well, I ain't never seen anything to
convince ME!"

It's at least true.
 
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Buzzwords and childish memes are not a shield for drivel but are a waste of time.
You want memes? How about a spoof instead instead?

" Hello, Evolution?
"Yes?"
"I have a job for you. I want you to design the human genome."
"Ok, well that sounds fairly simple.,"
" Not really. I need it so complicated we won't understand it at all even twenty years after we sequence it."
" Seriously? I'll need hundreds of workers, engineers, architects .."
" No, no, random mutations will take care of all that. You just sit and drink coffee for billions of years. It'll all work out."
Evolution: "This is a joke right? I'm hanging up. Darn prank callers!"
 
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It's so unfair to expect even the best educated
creationist who ever got a diploma from
Sheetrock State U to be able to argue
with facts.
There's no " facts" in theory. Naughty, naughty! Using the " f" word where it doesn't fit again!
 
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Some people believe what the Bible teaches about man's origin, while others believe in what an outright racist had to say. Since it cannot be proven that natural selection acting on random mutation was responsible for the complexity and diversity of life, I might as well go with the Bible.

You can extrapolate, based on the oscillations of finch beak sizes or the coloring of peppered moths, that natural selection acting on random mutation was responsible for the vast complexity and diversity of life, but that's a philosophical assumption, rather than a scientific observation.



 
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You believe in the Bible or in yourself?
Your version of what it says is True
because? Tell us, for lo, educated
Christians, like other educated people who
actually understand evolution have no
problem accepting it.

The "chosen people" bit is nothing racist*
and your chosen reading of the
Bible account cannot be proven,
because- there is zero evidence at all!
So may as well go with zero evidence?
Is that actually a sensible position?

Nothing in science is proven ( haven't you ever heard that?)
but there is an immense body of fully consistent evidence for
ToE.
Reason enough to make up a reason
to reject it, is that?

* the mean spirited deliberate misrepresentation of one
phrase in Darwins book to make him a racist, and thus
make his work invalid is a shameful thing, unworthy of
any reasonable person.

Bearing false witness, unjust accusation is supposed to
be against God's word.
To do so, so casually and to no gain speaks little good
about the person doing it.

We suggest cease and desist,
the only discredit goes to the one saying it.
 
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And you miserably fail to make the ToE sound even close to plausible.
I might agree with you except for one blaring fact. Namely, the consilience of evidence from independent, unrelated sources that provide compelling evidence for evolution and your only refutation was muck.
 
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