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No problem. Still waiting for your biblical proofs. Show me where Scripture states that a created human soul was added to the Trinity. Somehow - 1,000 posts deep - it's become pretty clear that you don't have any verses indicating this conclusion. It came from human reasoning.I'm after Scripture and Its TRUTH, not human opinion, reasoning, understanding etc...............
if you want that then read Ecclesiastes as I'm not the least bit interested in things under the sun, under heaven.
Where did Jesus get His humanity from ?No problem. Still waiting for your biblical proofs. Show me where Scripture states that a created human soul was added to the Trinity. Somehow - 1,000 posts deep - it's become pretty clear that you don't have any verses indicating this conclusion. It came from human reasoning.
My entire metaphysics was summarized at post 856 (a follow up to post 850), including Creation, God's acquired holiness, the irreversibility of His holiness, and the Incarnation. I explained EXACTLY - the exact mechanics of - how God managed to incarnate Himself, exactly how He stripped Himself of knowledge and power.Where did Jesus get His humanity from ?
Does Jesus have a soul ? yes or no
That does not say "created human soul" (one of us). THAT soul was the Son of God (Yahweh).Just in case you are not aware Jesus has a human soul, here ya go jal......
Matthew 26:38
Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.
Oh and jal does the Father and the Holy Spirit have a soul ? yes or no
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hope this helps !!!
metaphysics is not of God its new age the way you reason the things of God which are spiritual and cannot be explained with human wisdom and understanding.My entire metaphysics was summarized at post 856 (a follow up to post 850), including Creation, God's acquired holiness, the irreversibility of His holiness, and the Incarnation. I explained EXACTLY - the exact mechanics of - how God managed to incarnate Himself, exactly how He stripped Himself of knowledge and power.
As I've already told you: in my view the soul in Christ's body was the actual Son of God (emptied of His transcendent attributes), it was not one of us (a created human soul). It was the Son who atoned, therefore, not one of us.
Christology was probably a better word there.metaphysics is not of God its new age the way you reason the things of God which are spiritual and cannot be explained with human wisdom and understanding.
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Not true as per 1 Corinthians 2Christology was probably a better word there.
All theology involves metaphysics. Don't be so shallow!
I think this summarizes my viewMy entire metaphysics was summarized at post 856 (a follow up to post 850), including Creation, God's acquired holiness, the irreversibility of His holiness, and the Incarnation. I explained EXACTLY - the exact mechanics of - how God managed to incarnate Himself, exactly how He stripped Himself of knowledge and power.
As I've already told you: in my view the soul in Christ's body was the actual Son of God (emptied of His transcendent attributes), it was not one of us (a created human soul). It was the Son who atoned, therefore, not one of us.
The claim that God is a spirit is a metaphysical claim. It's part of DDS (Doctrine of Divine Simplicity).Not true as per 1 Corinthians 2
I'm after Scripture and Its TRUTH, not human opinion, reasoning, understanding etc...............
if you want that then read Ecclesiastes as I'm not the least bit interested in things under the sun, under heaven.
the Son is Eternal just like the Father- They dwell in heaven together on the Throne. See Revelation chapters 4-5The Son of man Jesus is under the sun not heaven the unseen realm of the glory of God
God is supernatural or without nature as a beginning. He can dwell in things that have a beginning or nature . He dwelt in the Son of man . .
The father worked in him to both will and empower Jesus to do the will of another, as the chief apostle .Jesus
Jesus worked with the father and did not murmur. Unlike Jonas that would of rather died but God moved him despite his unwillingness
Philippians 2:13 -14 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
I was using a symbol to try to point to a potential truth. If a symbol of a coin or a diamond with many facets points upwards to a truth about God then I would say a diamond or a coin is indeed simple. but you do not believe in Transcendent realities or any reality that appears to be different than the material reality. So your reason does not reason about things that do not fit in your system of reason. I don't think it's even right to describe a nature to God since everything that can be said of God falls short of the truth due to his infinite nature. That again is another reason why reason can only reason so much.That doesn't rebut the six contradictions. For one thing:
(1) Your statement is not claiming that the coin has 2 natures. A contradiction would look like this:
(A) This coin is physical.
(B) This coin is non-physical. That's because it has a 2nd nature, a non-physical one.
Rather your statement is referring to a piece of matter divisible into parts.
(1) One part has a face drawn on it.
(2) The other part has a different face drawn on it.
And thus
(1) That's not a contradiction.
(2) It's also not an option for those who hold to DDS. DDS claims that God is an immaterial substance indivisible into parts. This doesn't make for a coherent theory of the Trinity, and it likewise cripples our options in terms of a viable theory of the Incarnation.
If we cannot understand God, we have no hope. Theology is useless. Of course we cannot fully understand Him quantitatively (e.g. the full magnitude of His love), but I certainly know what love is (kindness).you do not believe in Transcendent realities or any reality that appears to be different than the material reality. So your reason does not reason about things that do not fit in your system of reason. I don't think it's even right to describe a nature to God since everything that can be said of God falls short of the truth due to his infinite nature. That again is another reason why reason can only reason so much.
If God is not loving/kind/good according to my usual definition, I have no hope. Same problem if He isn't rational according to our usual definition - for example if He tolerates contradictions, I have no hope.Apophatic theology. We can only say what God is Not. It might seem irrational to say God is not good, but it's the truth. In the same way God is not reasonable because he's so much greater and more powerful than any finite beings ability to be reasonable. Even if we are infinite beings, he is greater than us.
Theology falls under the umbrella of philosophy and metaphysics. From the Merriam-Webster website:metaphysics is not of God its new age the way you reason the things of God which are spiritual and cannot be explained with human wisdom and understanding.
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A popular Christian fallacy is that the only truth is in the scriptures and that God inspires no one, sets No Angels over anyone else Etc.
It basically assumes that God doesn't care about anyone except surprise surprise the favoured tribe, the Christians in this case. It assumes that God is not trying to express the truth to people as much as possible and as much as they are compatible. yet the scriptures say he is near to all of us. So I can't nitpick where I want the truth to be. Instead I must be greedy for the truth and grab as much of it as I can.
This fallacy is a very deadly one because it ends up quenching the spirit. Clean Waters start to stagnate. It's like when romans used ocean waters to make a pond and then the sun evaporates it and then they try to fill it back up with more ocean water and eventually the salt becomes too great and everything in it dies.
I thought of an analogy to compare the orthodox Incarnation with my version.Where did Jesus get His humanity from ?
And I refrain from commenting on hypostatic union because I haven`t studied the idea to my satisfaction.
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