What about Judas?

Christy4Christ · Mar 7, 2004

I know but wasn't it hard after watching that movie to think he did go to Hell?Did anyone else feel kind of bad for him and wish it had turned out differently? I mean obviously what Jesus went through was worse and the most important part. He knew what Judas would do and he knew that he had to die for us.Mel really picked a convincing actor to be Judas!

Oh and guess what, about Peter, my son pointed something out to me the other day that I thought was really interesting.

We know that Peter denied Jesus exactly three times right? After Jesus ressurected, how many times did he ask Peter, "Do you love me Peter?" and how many times did Peter answer Jesus? Three times...

KennySe · Mar 7, 2004

Your son is very observant, Christ!

Yes, Peter affirmed three times that He loves Jesus.

And on those three times, Jesus gave a command to Peter: feed my sheep.

As the Good Shepherd was to bodily leave the Earth, he appointed Peter to care for His flock.

Christy4Christ · Mar 7, 2004

Yes that's right and that is how we know Jesus forgave him, three denials and three I love you's!

nyj · Mar 7, 2004

KennySe said:
As the Good Shepherd was to bodily leave the Earth, he appointed Peter to care for His flock.

And from that point onward, the Pope has always held the title : The Servant of the Servants of God.

Christy4Christ · Mar 7, 2004

I know...

Cosmic Charlie · Mar 8, 2004

In the whole the film "Jesus Christ SuperStar" is a waste of film. However, it contains a scene that crystalizes my view of Judas. A heavily conflicted and confused Judas is in desert sifting sand through his hands when a squadron on Israeli battle tanks suddenly appear and chase him through the desert to where Jesus in waiting for him.

I think Judas may have been the only person in history not to have a real choice in how his life would progress. That puts him in a special catagory and one which is impossible to analyze from our point of view.

kimber1 · Mar 8, 2004

well everyone don't forget... this movie comes on tonight on abc at 9pm est!!

Christy4Christ · Mar 8, 2004

This is sort of a good point. God can do whatever he wants, right?

nyj · Mar 8, 2004

Cosmic Charlie said:
In the whole the film "Jesus Christ SuperStar" is a waste of film. However, it contains a scene that crystalizes my view of Judas. A heavily conflicted and confused Judas is in desert sifting sand through his hands when a squadron on Israeli battle tanks suddenly appear and chase him through the desert to where Jesus in waiting for him.

Actually, those tanks chase Judas to Caiaphas and the Sanhedrin.

/me watched Jesus Christ Superstar this weekend.

Christy4Christ · Mar 8, 2004

What are tanks doing in a movie about Jesus?

Cosmic Charlie · Mar 8, 2004

nyj said:
Actually, those tanks chase Judas to Caiaphas and the Sanhedrin.

* nyj watched Jesus Christ Superstar this weekend.

Sorry....

Your right, its been awhile. The Sandedrin is better anyway.

nyj · Mar 8, 2004

Cosmic Charlie said:
Your right, its been awhile. The Sandedrin is better anyway.

Given the tone of the movie (that Judas was more of a tragic hero), this would make more sense. That Judas was driven to do what he did.

Of course, what did the jet fighters symbolize after that meeting when he's back in the desert?

Cosmic Charlie · Mar 8, 2004

Christy4Christ said:
What are tanks doing in a movie about Jesus?

You've never seen "Superstar" have you ? The Roman guards carried automatic weapons and the director of the film has an alternate ending with Christ being cruxified on a set of Harley-Davidson motorcycle handlebars.

Its not really historically correct.

nyj · Mar 8, 2004

Cosmic Charlie said:
...and the director of the film has an alternate ending with Christ being cruxified on a set of Harley-Davidson motorcycle handlebars.

He does? Is this on the DVD (is it an easter egg, perhaps)? I haven't seen that one yet.

Cosmic Charlie · Mar 8, 2004

nyj said:
Given the tone of the movie (that Judas was more of a tragic hero), this would make more sense. That Judas was driven to do what he did.

Of course, what did the jet fighters symbolize after that meeting when he's back in the desert?

You know, I don't know.

I get the impression that it was supposed to show that he had been touched and had done what he was supposed to do, but, really, I'm still trying to figure out the screaming monkey in "The Passion", so,..... don't ask me on this stuff.

Cosmic Charlie · Mar 8, 2004

No, I've never seen it. I just heard it from the director during a interview.

Christy4Christ · Mar 8, 2004

That is sick and horrible! I would NEVER watch that movie...Jesus crucified on Harley Davidson handle bars? What kind of a sick person made this movie?

nyj · Mar 8, 2004

Cosmic Charlie said:
No, I've never seen it. I just heard it from the director during a interview.

Ah, alrighty. Fooey. Alternate endings are always cool to watch.

Markh · Mar 26, 2004

just to say...It isn't prophecized that the person who would betray Christ would hang himself is it?

But quite simply- we don't know what Judas' last thought on his moment of death was- did he seek forgiveness? I hope so, I think so. I imagine he was definitely not of sound mind when he killed himself, whirled up in a combination depression, anger and remorse for what he had done.

Christy4Christ · Mar 26, 2004

I trust that God is just, I trust that He knew what was in Judas' heart no matter what it is. And as I learned right here in tha past few days, I am gonna leave it up to Him, I doubt He needs MY advice! LOL

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