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brinny

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Originally Posted by Searching_for_Christ View Post
Yeah but I'm not praying to my bud for prayer..I have to PRAY to a saint..in order to get his or her supposed help.

When u asked ur bud to pray for you. You are praying to him.

That is what prayer means. It means to ask.

No sir, when someone comes to you and asks you to pray for them, it is as a brother or sister in Christ, and both the one asking and the one being asked are lifting up any needs to God, together, through Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the living God, the God of the living. Both are coming together in agreement to lift up the burden to God. We are admonished to pray for one another "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." ~Matthew 18:20

We are being children of the Most High and we are both directing our focus and attention to the ONE Who is God, and in essence, "worshiping" God Almighty in unison. We are doing as Jesus said to do when His disciples asked Him how to pray, and He demonstrated, as it is written.

This fits right into our admonishment to "pray without ceasing". Praying means "conversation" with God. It means "communicating" with Him. When the Bible describes the men who "walked with God", the "walking with God" means that their "conversation" with God never ceased. That is what it means to "walk" with God.....to have continual conversation with Him.

God clarifies here:

"He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?" ~Micah 6:8

This is what it means to "know" God. One on one, heart to heart. Loving God with all that is in us, with all of our heart, mind, soul, and strength. It's a "hunger", a "thirst" for His presence. "As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God." ~Psalm 42:1

Prayer

“Tell God all that is in your heart, as one unloads one's heart, it's pleasures, and it's pains, to a dear friend.

Tell him your troubles, that he may comfort you; tell him your joys, that he may sober them; tell him your longings, that he may purify them; tell him your dislikes, that he may help you coquer them; talk to him of your temptations, that he may shield you from them; show him the wounds of your heart, that he may heal them; lay bare your indifference to good, your depraved tastes for evil, your instability. Tell him how self-love makes you unjust to others, how vanity tempts you to be insincere, how pride disguises you to yourself and others.

If you thus pour out your weaknesses, needs, troubles, there will be no lack of what to say. You will never exhaust the subject. It is continually being renewed. People who have no secrets from each other never want for subject of conversation. They do not weigh their words, for there is nothing to be held back, neither do they seek for something to say. They talk out of the abundance of their heart, without consideration they say just what they think. Blessed are they who attain to such familiar, unreserved intimacy with God.” ~Francois Fenelon



Thank you kindly.
 
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In the Magnificat, Mary says, 'All generations shall call me blessed,' i.e. venerate her. Not just individuals dotted about here and there, but 'all generations'. Doesn't sound as if she is narcissisticly inviting people to revere her. In fact, she spoke the truth: all generations of Catholics have called her blessed.

I've yet to receive a reply from a Protestant poster, when I ask when was the last time they called her, blessed. For goodness sake, doesn't being the mother of Jesus, who was not only fully human, though sinless, but fully divine, i.e. the mother of God, count for anything in your opinion.

What's more, do you really believe that, in heaven, Jesus will have discarded his dear old Mum, who suffered so greatly with him, as merely having served her purpose? Just another 'unprofitable servant' like we, scoundrels? 'Don't call us. 'We'll call you'(?) I don't think so. If he is now Christ the King, as we know him to be, she must be Mary, his dowager Queen. Not to honour Mary, is a slight on her Son. To honour her, does not detract from the honour we pay to Jesus, but is only right and proper.
 
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Of course Jesus didn't discard her, sir. He died for her sins as well as every one else's sins as it is written that that is why God sent His only begotten Son into the world to do, die for our sins because He loved the world so much, and He wishes none to be lost. Jesus was born to die for our sins, including Mary's, for He was her Savior as well as ours. Mary knew all of this in her heart and pondered all of it, as it is written. Before dying on the cross Jesus said to His mother and to John:

"Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home." ~John 19:25-27

Jesus loved His earthly mother inexplicably, and He assured she would be taken care of until the day she died, by John, the disciple He loved. In essence, John now had embraced Mary as his mother and Mary had embraced John as her son.

Thank you kindly.
 
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OK. She's blessed.
I've yet to receive a reply from a Protestant poster, when I ask when was the last time they called her, blessed.
I just did, so you can dispense with or at least modify your complaint.



For goodness sake, doesn't being the mother of Jesus, who was not only fully human, though sinless, but fully divine, i.e. the mother of God, count for anything in your opinion.
No, not per se. The reason why is more important than the fact:
Luke 11:27:And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
[28] But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it

What's more, do you really believe that, in heaven, Jesus will have discarded his dear old Mum, who suffered so greatly with him, as merely having served her purpose?
That is just melodramatic nonsense.("discard mom" - lol)
Just another 'unprofitable servant' like we, scoundrels? 'Don't call us. 'We'll call you'(?) I don't think so.
I don't think she's anything like you, she's probably got a better sense of humor.
Your exaggerations are dubious & pitiful, not funny.
If he is now Christ the King, as we know him to be, she must be Mary, his dowager Queen.
Wishful thinking.
Not to honour Mary, is a slight on her Son. To honour her, does not detract from the honour we pay to Jesus, but is only right and proper.
Except when it's not right & proper & it does detract from her son.
 
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Why was a 3.5 year-old thread resurrected?

We needed to beat a rotting horse corpse? Well at this point, the corpse has mummified.

Thread resurrection is probably my biggest frustration with CF in that old threads dont get closed automatically after some period of time of the last post.
 
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We needed to beat a rotting horse corpse? Well at this point, the corpse has mummified.

Yup; that sounds about right.

Thread resurrection is probably my biggest frustration with CF in that old threads dont get closed automatically after some period of time of the last post.

Oh I whole heartedly agree.
 
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