What a relief

Hans Blaster said:

The failure to respond appropriately for the last 35 years to the clear signal of pending doom from excess CO2 emissions is not on the engineers.

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And who gave us those "excessive CO2 emissions" in the first place?

AV1611VET said:

And who gave us those "excessive CO2 emissions" in the first place?

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People who burn fossil fuels. Who are you trying to blame this time?

Hans Blaster said:

People who burn fossil fuels. Who are you trying to blame this time?

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Scientists as usual.

sjastro said:

Scientists as usual.

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Probably, but if he doesn't say it how will we know he wasn't implying Catholics? Hmmm. Or maybe this is part of his game to imply that *I* blame engineers for everything. (Not everything, just a lot of terrorism.)

Hans Blaster said:

Probably, but if he doesn't say it how will we know he wasn't implying Catholics? Hmmm. Or maybe this is part of his game to imply that *I* blame engineers for everything. (Not everything, just a lot of terrorism.)

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Not only terrorism.
Engineering and Woo.

sjastro said:

Not only terrorism.
Engineering and Woo.

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Your link is blaming engineers, not scientists.

Albeit, what exactly is the difference?

I use "scientist" in the vague sense that it is anyway.

Sort of as an umbrella term for everyone from astronomers to zoologists.

I grew up hearing things like: SCIENCE PUT MEN ON THE MOON, SCIENCE GAVE US MEDICINES TO CURE YOUNAMEIT, SCIENCE DID THIS, AND SCIENCE DID THAT.

So, to me, science can just take the blame for tragedies that have happened in the past.

AV1611VET said:

Your link is blaming engineers, not scientists.

Albeit, what exactly is the difference?

I use "scientist" in the vague sense that it is anyway.

Sort of as an umbrella term for everyone from astronomers to zoologists.

I grew up hearing things like: SCIENCE PUT MEN ON THE MOON, SCIENCE GAVE US MEDICINES TO CURE YOUNAMEIT, SCIENCE DID THIS, AND SCIENCE DID THAT.

So, to me, science can just take the blame for tragedies that have happened in the past.

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The link is tongue in cheek and shouldn't be taken seriously.
To put it in the simplest terms, scientists come up with the ideas, engineers put the ideas to use.
Engineers deserve as much as credit for getting men on the Moon.

How the Apollo 13 disaster was handled which prevented it turning into a tragedy illustrates the roles of engineering and science.
The role of engineering was to keep the astronauts alive for as long as possible while the scientists and mathematicians worked on a solution on getting the astronauts back to Earth.
The problem was due to exploding oxygen tanks due to a short circuit, an engineering fault.
The engineers instructed the astronauts to jury rig a LiOH cannister (pictured) as a CO₂ scrubber to prevent them from suffocating from their exhaled breaths in the lunar module.


Other engineering functions were to power down resources in the command module and divert them to the lunar module.

The scientists and mathematicians came up with the solution the only hope of rescuing the astronauts was using the Moon's gravity as a slingshot which required Apollo 13 to continue its course to the Moon after the explosion.

sjastro said:

To put it in the simplest terms, scientists come up with the ideas, engineers put the ideas to use.

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Okay, thanks.

Is it fair to say that scientists create the software that engineers use to do the work?

AV1611VET said:

Okay, thanks.

Is it fair to say that scientists create the software that engineers use to do the work?

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As an analogy sort of.....
Technically software is engineering but has its origins from mathematics.

AV1611VET said:

Okay, thanks.

Is it fair to say that scientists create the software that engineers use to do the work?

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One coul rather say that scientists describe the world the way it is, and engineers start then to improve the world.