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king-priest

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I'm from/in houston and there was a young man that out of sincerity he thought to help the evacs at allowing them to stay at the motel on I-10 where he worked the front. He asked the owner since they had extra rooms that they could stay there. Well, after a 2 weeks gone by...they were told of the need for the space for some income to keep up the motel. That if they continued to let them "live" there, then the motel would go under. Well, instead of saying thank you for letting them stay as long as they could and realize the predicament the motel and the young man was in...they called the local news. Oh it was "poor us", "you promised us that" and "our money cards won't be in till another 10 days and the least you could do is wait till we get them".



This poor young man got fingers and loud mouths in his face on tv.

The people did not even realize that a motel on an interstate highway has high overhead and has it's own bills and must depend on it's profits to stay afloat and to pay it's employees.



Now, this is behind the scenes.

There is a man from mexico that has made quite a business in mowing lawns from scratch. He has several trucks that have trailers on them pulling all their equipment and they have lots of business here because of it's so cheap. My dad even uses him.

well,since he is from mexico...he knows jobs are scarce there, and in mexico,if there is a work truck asking for bodies to work, you get on.

The survival of the family is important and working is counted as a blessing.That is why so many come here in hopes of a job.



Well, yeah, he thought to help out the victims by giving them a job oppurtunity by hoping on the "work truck" at 75$ a day(8 hours) and for every young or old body that can work.

They refused. Not one went to seize the oppurtunity to gain provision for their families.


You would think fathers and older sons and uncles and even strong women and ladies that could go and earn 75$ a day..would do it, considering they pleaded the need of it.

Why even families of 2 older teenage sons and a father could raise $225 in one day and in just five days that would be $1,125.00. That's not chump change.

at the very least...one member of the family could work and make in those five days and make $375.

Now if my famly (of four kids) needed pampers and diaper rash ointment and food and toiletries and water and neccesities and know that a motel cannot help out everyone for an unlimited amount of time ...then my husband from day one..would be out begging for a job to be able to come back with an arm of groceries and needs and then some to even save( in which they could have done) for an apartment(around here there is some real cheap-with all bills paid) and that would be a place to live for one month and in that month a job of that amount each week would be a definite welcome in another state till things are straightened out on what to do further.


For those people just went back to swimming after they called the news station.

Hmmm, starving..... but the pool was filled.

yeah, I'd say it's not a racial thing...it's a passed down of the handout dependency thinking that has really made the issue. The state itself is a huge welfare state.


Welfare was designed to help those out for a small amount of time for those who need it, not abuse it to the point of making it into a steady income support instead of a job.

It sickened me as once a cashier that I'd see people on welfare buying candy and cokes and their kids be all dirty and with old tattered too small clothes while their young moms and dads would have gold chains and earrings,nose and toe rings, and hair done from the salon and manicures and sporting the latest tommy hilfiger. They'd go right acrosss to kfc and buy from there and most youth parents on welfare don't even know how to cook and the the rest just prefer not to.

Wow, the convienience of tax dollars at work!
Remember to work hard...those on welfare are depending on you.

I say,

Beans and rice and milk and cheese and bread and fruit.
Want more? Get a job.
 
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hmmm... I tried to post and my post was eaten (lol) so I'm posting again. I find this to be sickening and saddening. It's so sad to see help being abused and it's sick to think that in a lot of cases it's good people who pay the price for junk like this. I can honestly say that this is not limited to race in any way. I grew up in an ALL white town and on the outskirts we had what you could call a shanty town. The houses were dirt floored, the windows had newspaper covering them instead of curtains and the people were so dirty they reeked of urine and sweat. They were mostly welfare recipients and yet had state of the art entertainment systems, the most expensive snow mobiles and pickup trucks. Sadly it's a mindset that is nurtured when you support people rather than help them support themselves. Please know I'm not saying *all* poor people are shiftless and lazy, I just feel that we as society are doing an injustice to those less fortunate when we hand out money instead of doing things to help solve the problem like subsidizing things like education and job training and perhaps even employers who need good people but might not have the resources to hire enough. To me these things would be more beneficial than handouts. I think we breed generations of takers rather than contributors.
 
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billwald said:
This country is rich enough that no one should go hungry but no one is poor in this country for a lack of cash flow but an inability to handle cash. I suggest we revert to the old system of county work farms instead of handouts.

Or make-work programs like the Works Progress Administration and Civilian Conservation Corp from the Depression.
 
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Like with all programs there is are good experiences and bad.
Some are grateful for the aid and give back to the community when they get on their feet. The sad part is there are probably more that take and abuse the system.
It does not help when the system is aiding them in the abuse. :(
I think that the government needs to review the welfare system and come up with a better means of helping.
It appears that our government is not looking into this...for they are handing out money and not making people accountable for what they use this money for. Sad situation.
 
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Sorry it took a while back to respond...from houston...nuff said on that.

anyway, heard that some evacs from louisiana went to houston's galleria...which is a wealthy shopping center downtown, and instead of buying food and things needed....

they went and bought new gold jewlery from the stores....sporting big name plates and rings and designer named clothes. They preferred the money instead of help in employment.


Is it a wonder that they complained that they had to wait in line for hours to get free money and expect more? Is it a wonder that they want the luxury of their lifestyle before Katrina paid for by the government. (That means me and you.) I guess today people figure the government has a bigger purse to beg from.

Greed and laziness are eating this country into a hole and burying those that work an honest job.
 
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I know first hand from living in Hawaii and seeing people come to the island to free load and live on the beach that people abuse goodwill.Poor motel employee.So unfair and unbelievable how people can turn against the hand that helps them.
makes me sick :(
 
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funny, we had a bible class about complaining.
It is a vocal rejection of grace...
God is the originator of grace since it is His policy and attribute of His essence.
Grace is provision for the need, whereby it is not earned or deserved, not based on you but merely reflects and glorifies Him.Grace gives because of simply ..there is a need.


Complaining was originated by Satan.
It comes from the mental attitude sin first.Then the thought is vocalized. That is, it is a vocal rejection of God since all grace comes from God.
Satan rejected God in his thoughts first then vocalized it, made it known to all and even tried to persuade the idea and action to others as well.
When people complain they imitate satan.

Complaining the way through everything is from being ungrateful and no grace perception.
That those complain reject grace and believe their desires should be met because they believe themselves to be justified by their own self-righteousness.
They do not live in a reality based on God, instead they live in a world whereby they meet the standard of their own self-righteousness.
Grace provides what is needed.
Complaining rejects grace and expects more.

People that complain do not reflect christian integrity.

The evacs from louisiana were provided with things they needed by the people of Houston of all finacial statuses(wealthy, mid,and poor) were moved to help in what they could.
grace saw the hunger need and offered.
Sandwiches were given and they complained.And spat it out openly and demanded to be treated better with pizza or burgers.
Cause that's what welfare gives...KFC,Taco Bell,Pizza Hut...etc.
Fast food.

So that's what they expect.

Funny, again, that they complained and so God moves another hurricane to send them on their way.
Question is: did they learn their lesson?

I've learned that if I complain that it's bad and reject grace...then God clarifies that what I thought was bad was indeed good by sending in a humbling experience of worse.
The children in the wilderness did that.
it is called meribah. For they complained.
The trip through the wilderness was a three day trip but God lead them(by whirlwind and pillar of fire) in circles because they complained. They died without having received the promised land.

so, the next time you think to complain...change your thinking so it doesn't reach your tongue.
Cause you may be in for a humbling experience.
also known as discipline.
 
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king-priest said:
I say,

Beans and rice and milk and cheese and bread and fruit.
Want more? Get a job.

And if there are no jobs? Or if they lack the qualifications to get a job.

I say free training and free childcare, plus wage top ups for minimum wage families. (Which is what we have in the UK)

BTW, I spent a few years on income support, (welfare), going to polish my gold rings and turn on my state of the eart sound system. :sigh:
 
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Athene said:
And if there are no jobs? Or if they lack the qualifications to get a job.

I say free training and free childcare, plus wage top ups for minimum wage families. (Which is what we have in the UK)

BTW, I spent a few years on income support, (welfare), going to polish my gold rings and turn on my state of the eart sound system. :sigh:

the what if hypotheticals are for those have no God or faith. The Lord always provides.

Why else would God say if a man cannot work he shall not eat?
God will obviously provide for what He declares.

And with God all things are possible.
Even work for His children.

And frankly...having children is for adults and not children themselves.
And being better parents comes from God and therefore would raise children under God as well, to grow up and get an education to get out on their own and be able to provide for their children.
Sadly, majority of believers today are carnal.That is they imitate the lost and have only salvation going for them and no spiritual growth themselves.And worse, they pass that down to their kids.
 
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billwald said:
The UK went from being the #1 world power to . . . down hill ever since WW2. Why?

It started long before WW2, the UK relinquished hold of it's empire, gave India back to the Indians, parts of Africa back to whoever, Canada and Australia became independent.

Why do you ask?
 
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Being upset about welfare is only to the detrament of the worrier. There have been situtions in my life where I have not wanted to do things because they upset me. Then I had something placed in my heart. "This is not for your glory, your pleasure, your advancement. This is for God's glory." God cared for the meek and so should we. Not for the benefit of those on welfare, but for the pleasure of Christ. There will forever be those whom rely on society to give them what they need. And society giving them what they need is what seperates us from primal, survival of the strongest times.

And do not be so fast to judge. There may come a day when you may need assistance. A friend of mine lost her husband to a car accident, had to stay home with her two children to help them through the process, and in turn lost her job. She is currently living off Social Security.

My point is: Don't do it for them. Do it for Christ.
 
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Athene said:
I say free training and free childcare, plus wage top ups for minimum wage families. (Which is what we have in the UK)

There's free job training all over the place here. The system bends over backwards to help you if you are a minority (talking about California, at least) - in fact, you have to BE a minority, not just poor, to receive some of these perks. At the University of Texas Law School, for example, whites need a 92% score on their LSAT (Law School Aptitude Test) to get in...blacks can pass with 55%.

I'm telling you, this country does what it can, but the rest is up to them.
 
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It is so sad,because no one wants to even donate to the earthquake victims,there is "Donor Burnout",and if this is true and the news gets out,people really won't want to donate when we are being told the heating bills both gas and electric are going up this winter,and gasoline for the cars keeps going up. That will really hurt all the people who have to drive 45 min.or longer to their job, because they wanted to live in the suburbs.
 
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constant said:
Being upset about welfare is only to the detrament of the worrier. There have been situtions in my life where I have not wanted to do things because they upset me. Then I had something placed in my heart. "This is not for your glory, your pleasure, your advancement. This is for God's glory." God cared for the meek and so should we. Not for the benefit of those on welfare, but for the pleasure of Christ. There will forever be those whom rely on society to give them what they need. And society giving them what they need is what seperates us from primal, survival of the strongest times.

And do not be so fast to judge. There may come a day when you may need assistance. A friend of mine lost her husband to a car accident, had to stay home with her two children to help them through the process, and in turn lost her job. She is currently living off Social Security.

My point is: Don't do it for them. Do it for Christ.

Yes we are to glorify God by gracing others with impersonal love(agape). But we are not to help those that won't do for themselves. we are suppose to help the ones that can't. Big difference.
Welfare forces those that are willing to work and support those that won't.
BTW, FACT:social security won't be there for our generation when we get older. Only those without the word void on the card are considered to be ok'd for real security. and that's the older ones.
That's why finacial analysts advise to get some other means of secured income. Cause it's all used up.....thus the defecit.
As for when that day comes...My God shall supply all my needs.
 
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