We send ourselves to hell?

Einsoph said:

The comment you've noted is given in order to free god of blame because their system could not manage that reality. It's said flippantly. It is a tactic, not a belief. The point of it, is merely that the sinner is to blame, the tortured must be blamed or the goodness of the torturer could not remain.

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Einsoph said:

The error you've noted is called the "tautological templar" fallacy. It's very common but I would have some compassion. These people did not choose to be convinced of this, it isn't as if they desired to believe their lives and their loved ones lives were in mortal danger from a god who seems confused in his love and justice. That there is an innocent god trying to save them from it redeems this situation.

God is their standard of morality, even if that isn't a very good argument. If they were to agree with you their lives would be uprooted. I doubt you plan on sowing that sort of grief and pain and they are innocent for defending their selves from it.

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Einsoph said:

maybe you are the one with the disconnect?

I don't understand why you are even addressing me, I'm not the OP I'm not a non believer and your posts seem compulsive. I'm not sure what your actually trying to say to me at this point.

If you are denying that Christians find god good by default with no weighing at all then youre at best naive.

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