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<blockquote data-quote="stiggywiggy" data-source="post: 59818778" data-attributes="member: 74608"><p>Originally Posted by <strong>stiggywiggy</strong> <a href="http://www.christianforums.com/t7632792-post59810581/#post59810581" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.christianforums.com/style/buttons/viewpost.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a><p style="margin-left: 20px"> I see. What were our idiot founding fathers thinking by calling them "inalienable," since after all they can indeed be taken away, simply by changing the law.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p></p><p>Yeah, I know. That's a given in my post, because the founding fathers never having enumerated which rights were unalienable, I was pondering why people are now claiming that the right to free birth control is somehow unalienable. Nobody so far can tell me. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><em>A2SG earlier:</em></p><p>I gave two examples, property rights and parental rights, both of which can be transferred, given away or taken away.</p><p style="margin-left: 20px"> <em>stiggy</em>: Yep, the very antithesis of inalienable. Maybe Jefferson, Madison, Franklin and Hamilton were smoking hemp when they made that ridiculous assertion.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>OK. So here's what we now have:</p><p></p><p>(1). Unalienable rights include stuff like life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. </p><p></p><p>(2). We cannot know for sure whether the founding fathers considered free birth control a right, since we know from the words "among these," that it is not an exhaustive list.</p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>(3). SO WHY DO PEOPLE CLAIM FREE BIRTH CONTROL AS A RIGHT?</strong></p><p></p><p>That was my question, if you recall.</p><p></p><p></p><p><em>stiggy earlier: </em><p style="margin-left: 20px"> (2). There is currently no law in the statutes enumerating "free birth control" as a right.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>That doesn't help at all. Since there is currently no law in the books requiring people be given free health care, this question remains: </p><p></p><p><strong>SO WHY DO PEOPLE CLAIM FREE BIRTH CONTROL AS A RIGHT?</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"> <em>stiggy earlier</em>: (3). So why do people today keep parroting that " people have a RIGHT to free birth control?"</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>So many pundits from both the left and the right, that I've lost count.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><em>stiggy earlier: </em><p style="margin-left: 20px"> That was my original question, and no one seems to want to tackle it. Take a shot, Artie.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>Then don't even try. Instead of tackling non-existent strawmen, try answering this: </p><p></p><p><strong>SO WHY DO PEOPLE CLAIM FREE BIRTH CONTROL AS A RIGHT?</strong></p><p></p><p>Now if your only answer is that you are unaware that people are doing that, never mind. We just travel in different circles.</p><p></p><p>Fantasy? If you think it's fantasy that politicians, pundits and political analysts of all persuasions are NOT claiming free birth control as a right, you're the guy in never-never land. </p><p style="margin-left: 20px"> <em>stiggy earlier</em>: The people who say we have a right to free birth control. Sorry, awfully presumptuous of me to assume you read my post. Were you unaware that that is the position being taken by those in favor of Obama's latest health care edict?</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>Nah. I KNOW what I've heard scores and scores of people say, and I do not carry a tape recorder with me. Nor do I DVR every TV political analyst. </p><p></p><p></p><p>The people who are saying that it's a right. Are you sure you read the original post in this thread? </p><p></p><p>You gotta be kidding. Maybe I'll do that in a separate reply. But I'm afraid I won't know when to stop. Sources abound. No, I've got a better idea. Ask me again. Ask me like you really don't believe I can give you sources. It will make it that much more pleasurable for me when I bombard you with them. I'll have more time tomorrow. </p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"> <em>stiggy earlier</em>: No, which is precisely my point. There is also no law saying we are entitled to free heath insurance.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>???? I never heard anyone saying that anyone was saying there was. You seem real confused.</p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"> <em>stiggy earlier</em>: Yet people are not claiming rights to free beanie caps, as they are free health care.]</p></blockquote> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">How many you want? Please make it a finite number. </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>Kinda late for a greeting, isn't it? But hey to you too.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, that was definitely me. What's up? Did someone claim it was you that typed that? I must have missed that.</p><p></p><p></p><p><em>stiggy earlier</em>: Again, you're really missing it here. Let me simplify it for you:<p style="margin-left: 20px"> </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">BEFORE Obama's edict about the insurance companies, people were saying free birth control is a basic right.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>That's kind of irrelevant. Just like it's irrelevant to the fact that even though we know Charlie Sheen says, "winning," millions of Chinese have never heard him say that. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Not really, but I probably will in another post. It'll be the easiest task I've had in a long time. </p><p style="margin-left: 20px"> <em>stiggy earlier</em>: But according to you, rights are not rights until they are codified.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>So what "way" did the right to free birth control "come to us?" Oh, that's right. You've never heard anyone claim that right exists.</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"> <em>stiggy earlier</em>: So it looks like we both agree that all these lefties who claimed a right to birth control BEFORE the law even states it, are all wet.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>...., which obviously means that those who do NOT have health insurance do NOT have that right. Thus in spite of your erroneous "nope" above, it looks like we really do both agree that all these lefties who claimed a right to birth control BEFORE the law even states it, are all wet. And thus my question still remains unanswered:</p><p></p><p><strong>SO WHY DO PEOPLE CLAIM FREE BIRTH CONTROL AS A RIGHT?</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>Except the huge number of people who are saying just that. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I see. You just don't get around much, huh?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Care to cite our sources, or are you exempt from your own repetitive demands? </p><p></p><p>EDITED TO ADD: OK, A2. You asked me for sources. Most of my sources are things I've heard people say: on CNN, FOX, a few friends and acquaintances and some internet blogs. So I think to myself, how can I get those sources onto this discussion board. I decided I can't. But then I went to google and put in "right to birth control." Naturally, I received a crapload of hits. Rather than copying and pasting thousands of sites, I figured you could do that yourself, since you're the one in the dark, not I. As far as names, they seem to be countless: Chris Matthews, Ed Schultz, the Baltimore Sun, Planned Parenthood, etc, etc. </p><p></p><p>Seriously, I thought you followed the news closer than that.</p><p></p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.christianforums.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=59816951" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.christianforums.com/style/buttons/quote.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="stiggywiggy, post: 59818778, member: 74608"] Originally Posted by [B]stiggywiggy[/B] [URL="http://www.christianforums.com/t7632792-post59810581/#post59810581"][IMG]http://www.christianforums.com/style/buttons/viewpost.gif[/IMG][/URL][INDENT] I see. What were our idiot founding fathers thinking by calling them "inalienable," since after all they can indeed be taken away, simply by changing the law. [/INDENT] Yeah, I know. That's a given in my post, because the founding fathers never having enumerated which rights were unalienable, I was pondering why people are now claiming that the right to free birth control is somehow unalienable. Nobody so far can tell me. [I]A2SG earlier:[/I] I gave two examples, property rights and parental rights, both of which can be transferred, given away or taken away. [INDENT] [I]stiggy[/I]: Yep, the very antithesis of inalienable. Maybe Jefferson, Madison, Franklin and Hamilton were smoking hemp when they made that ridiculous assertion. [/INDENT] OK. So here's what we now have: (1). Unalienable rights include stuff like life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. (2). We cannot know for sure whether the founding fathers considered free birth control a right, since we know from the words "among these," that it is not an exhaustive list. [B] (3). SO WHY DO PEOPLE CLAIM FREE BIRTH CONTROL AS A RIGHT?[/B] That was my question, if you recall. [I]stiggy earlier: [/I][INDENT] (2). There is currently no law in the statutes enumerating "free birth control" as a right. [/INDENT] That doesn't help at all. Since there is currently no law in the books requiring people be given free health care, this question remains: [B]SO WHY DO PEOPLE CLAIM FREE BIRTH CONTROL AS A RIGHT?[/B] [INDENT] [I]stiggy earlier[/I]: (3). So why do people today keep parroting that " people have a RIGHT to free birth control?" [/INDENT] So many pundits from both the left and the right, that I've lost count. [I]stiggy earlier: [/I][INDENT] That was my original question, and no one seems to want to tackle it. Take a shot, Artie. [/INDENT] Then don't even try. Instead of tackling non-existent strawmen, try answering this: [B]SO WHY DO PEOPLE CLAIM FREE BIRTH CONTROL AS A RIGHT?[/B] Now if your only answer is that you are unaware that people are doing that, never mind. We just travel in different circles. Fantasy? If you think it's fantasy that politicians, pundits and political analysts of all persuasions are NOT claiming free birth control as a right, you're the guy in never-never land. [INDENT] [I]stiggy earlier[/I]: The people who say we have a right to free birth control. Sorry, awfully presumptuous of me to assume you read my post. Were you unaware that that is the position being taken by those in favor of Obama's latest health care edict? [/INDENT] Nah. I KNOW what I've heard scores and scores of people say, and I do not carry a tape recorder with me. Nor do I DVR every TV political analyst. The people who are saying that it's a right. Are you sure you read the original post in this thread? You gotta be kidding. Maybe I'll do that in a separate reply. But I'm afraid I won't know when to stop. Sources abound. No, I've got a better idea. Ask me again. Ask me like you really don't believe I can give you sources. It will make it that much more pleasurable for me when I bombard you with them. I'll have more time tomorrow. [INDENT] [I]stiggy earlier[/I]: No, which is precisely my point. There is also no law saying we are entitled to free heath insurance. [/INDENT] ???? I never heard anyone saying that anyone was saying there was. You seem real confused. [INDENT] [I]stiggy earlier[/I]: Yet people are not claiming rights to free beanie caps, as they are free health care.][/quote] How many you want? Please make it a finite number. [/INDENT] Kinda late for a greeting, isn't it? But hey to you too. Yeah, that was definitely me. What's up? Did someone claim it was you that typed that? I must have missed that. [I]stiggy earlier[/I]: Again, you're really missing it here. Let me simplify it for you:[INDENT] BEFORE Obama's edict about the insurance companies, people were saying free birth control is a basic right. [/INDENT] That's kind of irrelevant. Just like it's irrelevant to the fact that even though we know Charlie Sheen says, "winning," millions of Chinese have never heard him say that. Not really, but I probably will in another post. It'll be the easiest task I've had in a long time. [INDENT] [I]stiggy earlier[/I]: But according to you, rights are not rights until they are codified. [/INDENT] So what "way" did the right to free birth control "come to us?" Oh, that's right. You've never heard anyone claim that right exists. [INDENT] [I]stiggy earlier[/I]: So it looks like we both agree that all these lefties who claimed a right to birth control BEFORE the law even states it, are all wet. [/INDENT] ...., which obviously means that those who do NOT have health insurance do NOT have that right. Thus in spite of your erroneous "nope" above, it looks like we really do both agree that all these lefties who claimed a right to birth control BEFORE the law even states it, are all wet. And thus my question still remains unanswered: [B]SO WHY DO PEOPLE CLAIM FREE BIRTH CONTROL AS A RIGHT?[/B] Except the huge number of people who are saying just that. I see. You just don't get around much, huh? Care to cite our sources, or are you exempt from your own repetitive demands? EDITED TO ADD: OK, A2. You asked me for sources. Most of my sources are things I've heard people say: on CNN, FOX, a few friends and acquaintances and some internet blogs. So I think to myself, how can I get those sources onto this discussion board. I decided I can't. But then I went to google and put in "right to birth control." Naturally, I received a crapload of hits. Rather than copying and pasting thousands of sites, I figured you could do that yourself, since you're the one in the dark, not I. As far as names, they seem to be countless: Chris Matthews, Ed Schultz, the Baltimore Sun, Planned Parenthood, etc, etc. Seriously, I thought you followed the news closer than that. [URL="http://www.christianforums.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=59816951"][IMG]http://www.christianforums.com/style/buttons/quote.gif[/IMG][/URL] [/QUOTE]
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