We are the World

[Believer-to-Righteousness]

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as God has shown us by turning stone to bread and so we all must lend a helping a hand..


Would this be an ethical or/and moral thing to do ?


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[Handmaid for Jesus]

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2 minutes.

as God has shown us by turning stone to bread and so we all must lend a helping a hand..


Would this be an ethical or/and moral thing to do ?


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When?

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Hi believer, I don't find that song over inspiring, not becuase of the message, but I find the music a bit bland. Whether we ought to help others in need is sometimes disputed too. In morals my theory is one is wired to ones own being, so that's where good and evil are first encountered and acted on. All of this mention of suffering, hunger etc - its related in our understanding to ones own primary encounters with them. But personally I feel I am so linked to the world I don't want to see others starve - it would be like having ones world vandalised if you could imagine that? If that happened to private property of mine I would be annoyed, but "the world" is also my property in that I own an experience of it. I don't own that experience as a financial investment, but I own it as an existential predicament.

 

[Tolworth John]

as God has shown us by turning stone to bread and so we all must lend a helping a hand..

No the devil tempted Jesus after he'd fasted for 40 days, by saying'If you are the Son of God turn these stones into bread.'
Jesus's reply is in direct contrast to your lack of biblical knowledge.
Jesus replied 'we must live by every word that comes from God'

May I suggest that you study the bible more.

 

[Eudaimonist]

I object to the word "must". I don't see a problem with setting aside some money to send to other nations for some charitable cause, but I don't think that it is a moral duty.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[GrowingSmaller]

No the devil tempted Jesus after he'd fasted for 40 days, by saying'If you are the Son of God turn these stones into bread.'
Jesus's reply is in direct contrast to your lack of biblical knowledge.
Jesus replied 'we must live by every word that comes from God'

May I suggest that you study the bible more.

Words form scripture? Well people do thrive on information. The Jewish for example people have proven to be pretty successful materially, yet paradoxically that success is based in faith.

 

[Tolworth John]

Words form scripture? Well people do thrive on information. The Jewish for example people have proven to be pretty successful materially, yet paradoxically that success is based in faith.

Sorry but I don't see the relevence of your comment.
Could you explain.

 

[Blade]

For the world.. this song means something. But.. if one knows Christ as lord.. this song is not of God. I am not of this world..

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Sorry but I don't see the relevence of your comment.
Could you explain.

Regarding living off of Gods world, some think its foolish yet the Jews are so successful.

A random atheist may write:


"Faih is irrational nonsense and belief without evidence, and believers are gullible fools..." etc.


The point is that living of Gods word is not so bad after all, but how so if its all so crazy?

 

[Tolworth John]

Regarding living off of Gods world, some think its foolish yet the Jews are so successful.

A random atheist may write:


"Faih is irrational nonsense and belief without evidence, and believers are gullible fools..." etc.


The point is that living of Gods word is not so bad after all, but how so if its all so crazy?

Thank you for clarifying.

For the agnostic etc the Jews are a problem. Why are there Jews?
Where are the other ethnic groups found in the OT?

Then there are the statistical benefits that come when the biblical patten for life is followed.

That is with out pointing out that atheism/agnostism is a minority view point. Look at all the nations and people groups, they all believe in the supernatural, but then atheist do.
Why rage against belief and Christian belief if it isn't real?

 

[Eudaimonist]

Why rage against belief and Christian belief if it isn't real?

"Rage" is an exaggeration for the vast majority of atheists, but the reason usually comes down to politics. God might not be real, but religious belief certainly is, and such belief has profound political effects, often not good ones. That is why the "New Atheists" have taken public stands. If religion did not have those effects, the issue would be far more academic and one for debating clubs.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Tolworth John]

belief has profound political effects, often not good ones.

All beliefs have an affect, they would not be relevent if they didn't.
Christianity stands for the legal rights of individuals and for the family.
Yes you are quite right if the family is important then ideas that attack or weaken the family are rightly opposed and a consquence of that is that those involved in weakening the family will feel that Christianity is against them.

 

[Eudaimonist]

All beliefs have an affect, they would not be relevent if they didn't.

True, but that's not a reason to ignore beliefs.

Christianity stands for the legal rights of individuals and for the family.

"Christianity" does not, since it is not a legal doctrine. Granted, Christianity may inspire certain political or cultural positions on the part of some Christians, though Christians may disagree with each other about those views. It's not like Christians are only ever only one particular flavor of American religious conservative.

Yes you are quite right if the family is important then ideas that attack or weaken the family are rightly opposed and a consquence of that is that those involved in weakening the family will feel that Christianity is against them.

There are many more points of contention than family issues.

And it isn't simply a matter of feeling that Christians are "against" anyone. This isn't necessarily about some sort of tribal conflict. It is possible to see problems in the cultural and political stands that people take without feeling that one has a deliberate "enemy" of some sort. One may take the view that some people are well-meaning, but innocently mistaken on some issues.

As for the New Atheists, they are concerned about the ideas involved and the harm that those ideas can cause even if coming from the actions of well-meaning people. They have every right to speak up about that.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Chinchilla]

2 minutes.

as God has shown us by turning stone to bread and so we all must lend a helping a hand..


Would this be an ethical or/and moral thing to do ?


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No we are out of the world . Jesus does not even pray for the world cuz it will pass away and melt .
John 17

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Words form scripture? Well people do thrive on information. The Jewish for example people have proven to be pretty successful materially, yet paradoxically that success is based in faith.

The Jews 'material success' isn't shared by all Jews. Anyone (not everyone) can attain material success if they focus on.......material success.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

2 minutes.

as God has shown us by turning stone to bread and so we all must lend a helping a hand..


Would this be an ethical or/and moral thing to do ?


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Yes, I think they should send money to Africa. After all they have most of the money. (Love the music.)