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i am not being rude(i hope) but y do catholics pray to saints,
and whats the deal with your attchment to mary
and whats the deal with your attchment to mary
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Benedicta00
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Anglicans arent also attached?
Because she is Jesus Mother and He loved her and so do we. Jesus is our brother and so that makes Mary also our mother and one tends to get attached to their mother.
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The deal is "The communion of saints".. which is professed in the Apostles Creed.
I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Creator of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:
Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.
He descended into hell.
The third day He arose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven
and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty,
whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy *catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.
Amen.
Do you believe in the communion of Saints?
That the One Body of Believers are one, wherever the individual members are? That the Saints in Heaven are alive in Christ, as we on Earth are alive in Christ. That the One Mystical Body cannot be divided.
I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Creator of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:
Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.
He descended into hell.
The third day He arose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven
and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty,
whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy *catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.
Amen.
Do you believe in the communion of Saints?
That the One Body of Believers are one, wherever the individual members are? That the Saints in Heaven are alive in Christ, as we on Earth are alive in Christ. That the One Mystical Body cannot be divided.
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Shelb5 said:
no we dont
we do not dwell on marry on that she brought jesus into world throught birth thats all we do.
and i dont pray to saints to pray for us nore do many other Anglos- we believe is pary dircetly to jesus, and our heavenly father
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Hi, Ponder. Many people wonder as you do because they don't really understand our beliefs and practices. Come here anytime to ask questions.
Do you believe that the saints in heaven are conscious or unconscious?
Do you believe the SScripture that tells us that Elizabeth was "filled with the Holy Spirit" when she said to Mary "Bless-ed are you among women?
Please Get back to us on those questions. I'm curious about what you think.
Thanks.
Do you believe that the saints in heaven are conscious or unconscious?
Do you believe the SScripture that tells us that Elizabeth was "filled with the Holy Spirit" when she said to Mary "Bless-ed are you among women?
Please Get back to us on those questions. I'm curious about what you think.
Thanks.
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Ponder,
Why shouldn't I pray to all of the saints and Mary? Exactly what would be the reason not to?
I'm not trying to be antagonistic, but just wondering why you think it would be foolish of me to do so? Does not the Apostles Creed state that we pray to the communion of saints? Of course it does. So, why aren't you praying to them?
Why shouldn't I pray to all of the saints and Mary? Exactly what would be the reason not to?
I'm not trying to be antagonistic, but just wondering why you think it would be foolish of me to do so? Does not the Apostles Creed state that we pray to the communion of saints? Of course it does. So, why aren't you praying to them?
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In Walsingham, there is an Anglican shrine dedicated to Our Lady, which I've been to. We and others honour her because of what she did, she said Yes to the Lord and allowed his power to be manifested in herself
As she said "All generations will call me blessed, because the Almighty has done great things for me"
Just as I ask and respond to my brothers and sisters in the Lord who ask for my prayers, I have confidence that the Lord will hear the prayers of Mary and the Saints, when I ask them to pray for me
As she said "All generations will call me blessed, because the Almighty has done great things for me"
Just as I ask and respond to my brothers and sisters in the Lord who ask for my prayers, I have confidence that the Lord will hear the prayers of Mary and the Saints, when I ask them to pray for me
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Benedicta00
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Ponder said:
Maybe you should talk with PolyCarp. Hes a member of the forum and a Anglican and he tells a different story.
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the bible stricly say not too it say only pray to jesus and him,artnalex said:
no else
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that is a differnt case Peter Paul and also, we dont pray to friends we ask them, where praying to saints to pray for us is wat i am getting from wat people are saying,
and also i am not making statements (well trying not to) but asking i am curouse and have heard things which contridick the bible in ur reiligon i am not saying thats true but its wat i am told
i dont wont to be abuse like before, i am not poitning out false things in ur religon just asking about things different to Angloician.
and also i am not making statements (well trying not to) but asking i am curouse and have heard things which contridick the bible in ur reiligon i am not saying thats true but its wat i am told
i dont wont to be abuse like before, i am not poitning out false things in ur religon just asking about things different to Angloician.
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Are you referring to this verse?Ponder said:
1 Timothy 2:5
"For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus"
If you are referring to this verse, then I agree that Jesus is the ONLY mediator, HOWEVER, when we pray to the saints we are merely asking them to pray to Jesus on our behalf - so we have not taken Jesus out of the equation. In fact, all we have done is build up the amount of persons praying on our behalf. I would say that we ask them for "intercession", but the word prayer is OK too. Just don't confuse praying or worshipping God with asking saints to pray for us. The two are not the same. You might seem to think it is.
When we pray to angels or saints, we are merely asking them to pray for us - just as you would ask a friend to pray for you. Anything wrong in that? Nope.
Read Revelations 5:8 and let me know what is happening there? I'll give you a hint, it involves saints offering prayers on our behalf.
Also, ever heard of this verse, from James 5:16:
"...the prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects". How much more righteous can a person be than when he is heaven?
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Ponder, the word pray means "ask", "request". Nothing more.
We worship only God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit).
We honor Mary and the other Saints.
Many people don't understand the simple facts.
We are happy that now you know what we really believe and do. Now you can explain it to others.
Thanks for the visit. Come back soon. Ask any question.
We worship only God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit).
We honor Mary and the other Saints.
Many people don't understand the simple facts.
We are happy that now you know what we really believe and do. Now you can explain it to others.
Thanks for the visit. Come back soon. Ask any question.
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Ponder said:
Prayer is the highest form of worship for a protestant I was told. So when you asked why Catholics pray to Saints I know what you have in mind - that we are worshipping them. To Catholics a prayer is communicating either with God or the Saints but there is a big difference. Prayer to God consists of four elements & they are: (1) Worship or Adoration (2) Thanksgiving & praise (3) Plea for forgiveness (4)Petitions or supplications. None of these elements exist when Catholics pray to the Mother of God or any Saints. Prayers to Saints are exactly like asking your fellow believers to pray for you & in doing so you're not really worshipping them, or are you? Catholic prayers to Saints are intercessory prayers i.e for them to ask God on our behalf. The Creed says 'I believe in the Communion of Saints'. Do you recite the Creed? If so, do you really believe in it? The big deal about Mary is she occupies the highest position of all the Saints because she is the Mother of God. Catholics cannot be orphaned even if our earthly parents pass away because Catholics have God the Father as their Father, Jesus as their Brother, & Mary as their Mother. Assuming that you are a mother & I am your sick friend, would your son who is a doctor refuse to treat me after you requested him to do so?
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Benedicta00
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Ponder said:
The bible also does not say that the bible is strictly the only rule of faith we have either, does it?
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