Water into Wine.

Jase · Apr 19, 2007

prodromos said:
[bible]Genesis 1:3[/bible]Did creation have to wait 8 minutes before it was visible?

Who knows, it's purely speculation because that verse doesn't say either way. It says there was light - it says nothing about how long it took that light to travel. Maybe "Let there be light" means God "turned on" the fusion reactor in the Sun.

[bible]Genesis 1:14-15[/bible]Again, did creation have to wait years to see the first stars and much longer to see the remainder?

John

Are the stars in a solid dome sitting above the Earth? A firmament is a solid dome in Hebrew cosmology - it is not referring to space because the Hebrews didn't know about space. So do you take that part literally, or do you pick and choose which parts you take literally ( no solid dome, but instant starlight)?

Assyrian · Apr 20, 2007

prodromos said:
For His glory

Psalm 19:1 To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God...
So far so good, though I would ask how the remains of exploded stars that never actually happened give God glory.

...and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.
OK now here's the problem. These nebulae proclaim a star that exploded in a cataclysmic supernova. But this did not happen in a 6000 year old universe. What the sky proclaims is not God's handiwork. It is even worse for supernovas that have appeared in the last 6000 years. Before there was a star there, shining in the sky, proclaiming in itself what God had created. Except that God never created that star. The supernova that Kepler saw in 1604 actually occurred 20,000 years ago, or not at all in a 6,000 year old universe. So what sort of handiwork was the star proclaiming that was shining there all those thousands of years before Kepler? The star never even existed.

Psalm 19 tells us we should trust in the truth the heavens proclaim rather than believe people who tell us it was just made by God to appear that way.

Part of the problem here is how you define perfect heavens. Is it God's definition or yours .

Actually it is a YEC definition that says creation was perfect before the fall, instead of 'good' as the bible says. It is part of their argument that there could not have been death and decay, and as a consequence, no evolution either.

Mick116 · Apr 20, 2007

Assyrian said:
Psalm 19:1 To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God...
So far so good, though I would ask how the remains of exploded stars that never actually happened give God glory.

...and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.
OK now here's the problem. These nebulae proclaim a star that exploded in a cataclysmic supernova. But this did not happen in a 6000 year old universe. What the sky proclaims is not God's handiwork. It is even worse for supernovas that have appeared in the last 6000 years. Before there was a star there, shining in the sky, proclaiming in itself what God had created. Except that God never created that star. The supernova that Kepler saw in 1604 actually occurred 20,000 years ago, or not at all in a 6,000 year old universe. So what sort of handiwork was the star proclaiming that was shining there all those thousands of years before Kepler? The star never even existed.

Psalm 19 tells us we should trust in the truth the heavens proclaim rather than believe people who tell us it was just made by God to appear that way.

Actually it is a YEC definition that says creation was perfect before the fall, instead of 'good' as the bible says. It is part of their argument that there could not have been death and decay, and as a consequence, no evolution either.

Maybe we should begin a discussion about the word "good" in the context of Genesis and creation.

There is none good but Christ, and yet when we, even as sinners, are positioned "in Christ", we become "good" in the eyes of God... perhaps creation is considered by God in the same way... imperfect, and yet "good" as the result of that then "future" atonement (as if "future" is relevant to God, anyway).

Assyrian · Apr 20, 2007

He also said a good tree bears good fruit. How can a world created by a good God be anything other than good?

DiscipleDave · Apr 21, 2007

LewisWildermuth said:
Yes, yes. we know, if we do not believe everything you say you'll kick us out of heaven...

i do not kick anyone out of Heaven, nor do i have the power to do so, surely you know this. Jesus Christ is who decides who will and who will not enter into Heaven.

LewisWildermuth said:
Anyone who disagrees with you or your church is danged to heck... Yadda yadda yadda.

i am nothing, but He that is in me, He is Jesus, therefore if i tell you what Jesus has told me, then it is not me, but Him. Therefore if you do not believe what i say, You will not believe Him who told me, which is Jesus.

LewisWildermuth said:
Sorry I do not buy it. I do not feel your interpretation of the scriptures is the correct one.

And you would be most correct, my interpretation is not right and is most definately WRONG, this is why i do not teach my interpretations, but clearly teach what He tells me, regardless of my own learning, my own interpretations, my anything. What i teach is what He tells me, i am nothing more then a messenger of His Truths, not mine, nor are they mine.

LewisWildermuth said:
If that makes me less of a Christian in your eyes, oh well, because personally I don't give two cents about your opinion of me, just what God thinks.

i do not recall giving you an opinion about you at all, and you do well, in not careing what others think of you, even including me, for humans are nothing, prone to errors misinterpretations, misunderstandings, confusion, doubts, guilt, and any other thing that takes us away from the Truth. So you do well in not caring about my opinion, if i so gave you an opinion. But if i gave you Truth that came from Christ, then it is not my opinion, but His.

In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ
DiscipleDave
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DiscipleDave · Apr 21, 2007

Jase said:
It's deceptive because no object past 6,000 light years actually exists according to that view. In order for us to see stars billions of light years away, instantly, would require the complete destruction of the laws of physics. Do you really think God spends every second of existence hurling light from distance stars at a rate of 13 billion light years per second?

The Earth was created in 6 days, as does Scriptures teach, However the Earth was created in a pre-existing universe.

Gen:1:16: And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

This is when God made the Sun and our moon, notice how it was just added here, as a matter of making a statement : he made the stars also This last statement does not give a time at which they were created, but merely says as a bi-note that he also created the stars also.

He created the Universe billions of earth years ago, but He created the Earth in 6 days.

In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ
DiscipleDave
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DiscipleDave · Apr 21, 2007

Jase said:
I think the problem people are having with DiscipleDave is that he acts like a prophet. He keeps saying He completely knows the "Truth" (why it's capitalized i don't know), and that Jesus instructs him on that "Truth" directly.

Are you then suggesting that God does not have any more prophets ?

Why wouldn't God have prophets, especially in the last days, right before His Sons Return?

Acts:2:17: And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Tell me Jase, Do you believe God will do this, and there will be sons and daughters that will prophesize, or do you not believe what Scriptures teach?

i have not failed to tell you the truth and that truth from Jesus Himself ( hope it is alright with you that i capitalize His name and anything that refers to Him ) Is it my fault, people do not believe there are prophets in these days ? i have clearly told you the truth and you would not believe it, if i then told you that Jesus chose me to be a prophet to teach His truths in these last days, would you then believe that? Lo, if you will not hearken to, nor believe what i teach, you will neither believe me when i say He chose me to be a prophet. i did not ask for this, nor did i desire this, but i was chose to do this thing, even from birth, to hear it from my own mother, she and others swore they seen a halo around my head as a newborn baby, and even had the picture of it for many years. However i am sceptical of this, having never seen the picture myself, yet knowing my mother swares she saw what she did.
but this i do know, i never recall a time i did not know about Jesus, and it was at a very young age that He was speaking to me, even throughout my life He would speak with me, and answer any question that i would present to Him. But i never asked for this calling, nor even now do i desire this calling, but more ready to die and be with Him, but it is better for all of you that i stay and teach what He has to teach you, then for me to leave and be with Him.
Do i think i am more special then any one of you ? You think this, because it is easier for you to think that and not believe me. It is harder to believe me, so you have to believe what i teach also. If then you believe i am a prophet who hears from Jesus, then you will also have to believe what i teach, but what i teach is hard to swallow, therefore it is easier for you to believe that i am false, that way you do not have to believe me. Everyone can do even as i am able to do.
Do you believe Jesus talks to people in this generation? i assure you with no doubts whatsoever, if you do not believe He does, you will not hear Him. For you must first believe that He does ( Faith ) before He will. ( Note: Jesus can talk to whomever He desires, even if they do not believe, yet Now He only talks with those who believes He talks with people ) Also, you must first hear and hearken unto the Spirit that He gave you ( the Holy Ghost ), if then you will not hear Him, you will not hear Christ either.

So then if that little voice in your head, tells you, you should not be doing this, or doing that, and you do not hearken unto that little voice in your head, but do what you want to instead, How will you hear the voice of Christ, when you will not even hear and hearken unto the voice that He gave you. Therefore those who do not hear and hearken unto that little voice, how will they hear and heaken unto Christ? First listen and do what that little voice tells you, then you will be able to hear Christ when He speaks with you, and reveals to you His will for you and your life. But if you will not listen and do what that little voice tells you, then how will you be able to hear and do what He tells you?
So then anyone of you can do this, and hear from Christ Himself, i am not special nor any different then any one of you, and i have told you the way, so that you also can hear from Christ, even as i do.
But if you don't believe it, guess what ? it will happen according to your belief, if you believe He does not speak to people, He will not speak to you. If you believe He does speak to people, and you listen and obey that little voice inside your head, then He also will speak with you.
How often He would love to speak with His children, but because of doubts, and disbelief, from those children, He does not speak with them.

In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ
DiscipleDave
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DiscipleDave · Apr 21, 2007

Mallon said:
The question is why would God give a newly-created, fully-grown tree a false appearance of history (including seasonal growth cycles preserved as growth rings)?

No the question is, Can God create a full-grown tree by His mere words ? yes or no ?

Please do not answer as all others who believe in evolution answer this question, they instantly reply ( instead of answering the question ) Why would He ? Are we then discussing the why's of why He does what He does ? No we are not discussing the why's. We are clearly asking a simple question that evolutionist refuse to clearly answer.

Can God create a full-grown tree by His mere words ? yes or no ?

Can He, NOT why, but can He ? Yes or No ?

Are you then saying He CAN'T ? or are you saying He CAN ? This is the Question. You see those who believe in creation believes He can make the Earth in 6 days, why they believe this is because that is what Scriptures says He did, and He is fully capable of doing this feat. Now i am sorry that evolutionist have to question why God does what He does, not that i would ever question Him, HE IS GOD. So then if He says He created the Earth in 6 days, i believe it, and do not question the creator of the entire universe and what is beyond, and there is a beyond this universe. Now those who do not believe in the creation account in Scriptures, question God as to " Why would He try to decieve us " and such things they question against Him. Is it not better to believe Him and not question Him, then to doubt Him and question His motives ? If then He said He created the Earth in 6 days, and He did not try to decieve us in this matter, He clearly told us that He created the Earth in 6 days, He did not lie to us, nor try to decieve us, but clearly told us, He created the Earth in 6 days, and for thousands of years this was the Truth being taught to all those who knew the God we worship, leave it to this generation to try to totally eraticate the teaching of creation based on what? Questioning His motives as to why He created it, as He said He did ?

So i will clearly ask you to answer YES or NO to this question:

Can God create a full-grown tree by His mere words ? yes or no ?

If He CAN, because He is God, then why do you not believe Him.

Mt:21:25: The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him? 26: But if we shall say, Of men; we fear the people; for all hold John as a prophet.

Can God make a full grown tree? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say Yes; he will say unto us, Why did you not believe the Scriptures then: But if we shall say No; he will say that we are limiting the power of God. Therefore they answer with a question " Why would God make something to decieve us? "

Are these not even as the pharisees were? Not that any person who is reading this post are one of these, but only those who do not believe Scriptures.

In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ
DiscipleDave
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DiscipleDave · Apr 21, 2007

What does the creation of the Earth have to do with the creation of the universe?
Clearly the Bible does not give a specific time as to when other galaxies were created, but only what is visible to the inhabitants of the planet earth. Sun, moon, stars. and even in saying " and the stars also " it does not give times as to when each star was created, some being older, some being younger, the Bible only mentions " and the stars also " not giving a specific time as to when these were made, but merely mentioned them as a side note, as to include them in somewhere in the creation account. Again i will say:

The universe was here before the Earth was ever created, and the Earth was created in 6 days in a pre-existing universe.

In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ
DiscipleDave
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EnemyPartyII · Apr 21, 2007

The universe was here before the Earth was ever created, and the Earth was created in 6 days in a pre-existing universe.

Except for all that pesky scientific evidence

Melethiel · Apr 21, 2007

Of course God can do anything He wishes. The question is, did He?

Deamiter · Apr 21, 2007

So then anyone of you can do this, and hear from Christ Himself, i am not special nor any different then any one of you, and i have told you the way, so that you also can hear from Christ, even as i do.
But if you don't believe it, guess what ? it will happen according to your belief, if you believe He does not speak to people, He will not speak to you. If you believe He does speak to people, and you listen and obey that little voice inside your head, then He also will speak with you.

He does speak to me Dave, and it's rather amazing how he tells me how wrong you are. Perhaps you need to be careful because what you are currently teaching is not from God, and not from the Bible. The Bible does not teach a 6-day creation, and your insistance on this makes the source of your 'inspiration' quite clear (and certainly not God!)

Finally, do consider getting a better translation of scripture than the 1611 KJV. In your attempts to sound like something you aren't, you are using lexicons that haven't been used for hundreds of years.

Of course, I don't expect to convince somebody so wrapped up in their own understanding that their message is not and never has been from God. I will continue to pray for you and those you have been leading astray from the truth of God's scriptures.

DiscipleDave · Apr 21, 2007

DiscipleDave said >>> The universe was here before the Earth was ever created, and the Earth was created in 6 days in a pre-existing universe. <<<

EnemyPartyII said:
Except for all that pesky scientific evidence

Jn:7:24: Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

This do, and believe.

In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ
DiscipleDave
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DiscipleDave · Apr 21, 2007

Melethiel said:
Of course God can do anything He wishes. The question is, did He?

Why is that the question?
He said He did, why is that not enough?

In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ
DiscipleDave
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Deamiter · Apr 21, 2007

DiscipleDave said:
Why is that the question?
He said He did, why is that not enough?

In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ
DiscipleDave
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Jesus also said he was a vine. Why is that not enough for you?

DiscipleDave · Apr 21, 2007

Deamiter said:
He does speak to me Dave, and it's rather amazing how he tells me how wrong you are. Perhaps you need to be careful because what you are currently teaching is not from God, and not from the Bible. The Bible does not teach a 6-day creation, and your insistance on this makes the source of your 'inspiration' quite clear (and certainly not God!)

Really? Please read Genesis chapter one, or is that chapter removed from the Bible that you read, because the Bible that i read CLEARLY teaches He created the EArth in 6 days, so specific in fact, that He teaches us what He created on which day of the week. In case it is not in your Bible, i will paste it here for you to read, that it is in Fact what Scriptures teach:

1: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2: And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3: And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4: And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5: And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6: And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7: And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8: And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9: And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10: And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11: And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12: And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13: And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14: And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16: And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17: And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18: And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19: And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21: And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22: And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23: And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24: And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25: And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30: And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31: And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Seems to me Scriptures does in fact teach that God created the EArth in 6 days. Why then do you say it does not teach this? For i have shown you the verses from Scriptures themselves that teach this as well, or are you one of those who believe parts of Scriptures and not all of them?

2Tm:3:16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Do you believe All of Scriptures or just parts of it, that you agree with?

Deamiter said:

Finally, do consider getting a better translation of scripture than the 1611 KJV. In your attempts to sound like something you aren't, you are using lexicons that haven't been used for hundreds of years.

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Are you then prejedice because of the way i talk, believe it or not, since i listen to the Scriptures 8 hours a day, it is the way i talk, i am sorry that they way i talk upsets you, does the way i look also upset you? Does my misspelling words upset you as well, i do appoligize that i do not speak as you do, and spell as you do, nor am as smart as you are, for i know not what a lexicon is, nor how i am using it. i am a simple person, i believe all Scriptures are true, i do not beleive for one second that God would allow me to believe something that is false. What father out there leaving instructions and rules for their children, if there be something false in them, would not go and straightway correct the error, so the children are not led astray? Is our Father not more then that? Could He not change every single Bible in the Entire world, without our even knowing it was changed? Well the God i worship can do this, i am His child, and He left me accurate, True, and correct intructions to live by and believe. What kind of God would allow HIS BOOK to be corrupted, to be wrong, to be incorrect? Has He not power to preserve His Own Word? Could He not see to it, that over 2 thousand years, His Word would still stand True and correct ? He is God. Therefore the Book we have today is what He has preserved for His children, it is not His fault that many of the children have turned away from His Truths, to believe their own thinking their own thoughts, and their own interpretations, and choosing not to believe what His Words clearly says, this is not His Fault, but the children who do this.

2Tm:4:3: For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4: And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The time will come, when they will refuse to believe the Words of God and what Scriptures teach, because they would rather choose what they want to believe over what Scriptures teach, they will not hearken unto Scriptures will hearken unto only those who believe even as they believe, these they will listen too.

Deamiter said:

Of course, I don't expect to convince somebody so wrapped up in their own understanding that their message is not and never has been from God. I will continue to pray for you and those you have been leading astray from the truth of God's scriptures.

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Let me understand what you are saying here, i am leading people astray because i teach them they should believe what the Scriptures teach ? is that what you are saying? Is it not the Truth that those who are teaching things that are contrary to Scriptures and teaching others so, these are they that are leading people astray?
i teach what Scriptures teach, now there are those who teach the Earth is millions of years old, which is contrary to Scriptures. Who is leading who astray ? i teach Scriptures, they teach contrary to Scriptures.
You do error, not believing in Scriptures nor the power of God, for God can create an entire Earth in 6 days, Hello, He is God.

In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ
DiscipleDave
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DiscipleDave · Apr 21, 2007

Deamiter said:
Jesus also said he was a vine. Why is that not enough for you?

He is the vine in the parable. This is True and you are correct in saying that He is the vine, according to that parable.

In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ
DiscipleDave
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EnemyPartyII · Apr 21, 2007

2Tm:3:16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

nothing there about it being literally correct though, is there?

Mallon · Apr 22, 2007

DiscipleDave said:
No the question is, Can God create a full-grown tree by His mere words ? yes or no ?

I answered this question directly more than 10 days ago, Dave. My answer is here. There is no need to continue repeating yourself.

Now I hope you will reciprocate and kindly answer the question I asked in the same post.

DiscipleDave · Apr 22, 2007

2Tm:3:16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

EnemyPartyII said:
nothing there about it being literally correct though, is there?

Scriptures is to be read literally unless the immediate text clearly indicates otherwise ( ie a parable )

Remember:

Mt:11:25: At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Lk:18:17: Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

Mt:18:3: And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Mt:19:14: But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Mk:10:15: Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

Lk:18:17: Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

1Cor:3:19: For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

The Father gave His children easy simple instructions to follow, that even children can understand them, leave it to this generation to believe you must be learned, intellegent, and wise to understand and interpret Scriptures, When He made them simple and easy to understand, For the most part ( Revelation excluded ) what it says is what it means, it is that simple.

The wise and the learned will say, the Earth is billions of years old, we have evidence, we have proof, we have studies, we have chemicals, we have dating methods, we have science backing us, want to know the Truth, ask a child how many days did it take God to create the EArth, believe them. These will be their judges.
It is written we must become as children in order to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, are children learned or are they gullible ? If they read the creation account in Genesis will they believe it or doubt it? when they read that God destroyed the world in a flood, will they believe it, or doubt that it ever happened? leave it to the learned and those who deem themselves wise to confound the Truth in their much learnings. When a child reads a verse, do they merely believe what it say, or do they go about to interpret it into something other then what it says?
Much of the Bible is in need of no interpretations whatsoever, Do you know who interprets? those who read a verse, and what it clearly says, they do not agree with, this verse is then interpreted into something that they will agree with. Men shall not lie with men, as men lie with women. Can't believe what it says, therefore let us interpret it into something that we will agree with, let us say it means this, and not what it says.
Speaking about interpretation, let me tell you this also, if what you believe contradicts even what one verse in the Bible says clearly, what you believe is wrong. It is only when what you believe does not contradict one verse in the Bible, then what you believe may be Right.

So here is my advise, and not my advise, but His. Forget all that you were ever taught by humans, then read the Words of God anew, even as a child would read it, and when you find yourself trying to put your own interpretation to a verse, just believe what it says and continue reading, do this, and i assure you with no doubts whatsoever, the Holy Ghost will reveal to you all the mysteries of kingdom of God, but be patient, i was on my fourth time reading ( age 14 i think ) the entire Bible before the Holy Ghost revealed to me the knowledge thereof. and it was only when ( of a Truth ) that i threw away all that i thought i knew away, and when i realized, that who am i to interpret anything of Gods Words, i am nothing, even a filthy rag before Him, therefore what it says is what it means, He did not make it difficult to understand, but He made it clear and easy to understand it, we our own selves make it difficult to understand by our own interpretations, Therefore do that which i have said, and the Truth will be revealed to you as well. But know this, be prepared, for once you know this Truth, and all that you must give up for Him, and how difficult a path it really is, that you may not be able, nor willing to take. The Truth will set you free, but only if you accept that Truth and not sugar coat it with your own interpretations.

In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ
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