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Let proposition P1 = Noah's flood was global.To all you doubters I have one question.
Has God Said?
Why would God give a rainbow to mark His Promise the
whole world would not be flooded again it it was only a local flood?
The earth was not divided till the time of Peleg.
Hath God Said?
Absolutely true.Let proposition P1 = Noah's flood was global.
True?
I don't see this as being a Christian response. Nor informative, in any way.
Instead of overgeneralizing and jumping to conclusions, can you be more specific? To prove that you are not, go ahead and quote my words and contradict them if you are able.I don't see this as being a Christian response. Nor informative, in any way.
Anyone who responds to a post by saying one is "overgeneralizing and jumping to conclusions" has the spirit of an accuser.Instead of overgeneralizing and jumping to conclusions, can you be more specific? To prove that you are not, go ahead and quote my words and contradict them if you are able.
Anyone who responds to a post by saying one is "overgeneralizing and jumping to conclusions" has the spirit of an accuser.
I don't see this as being a Christian response. Nor informative, in any way.
This is basically a cross-posting of something posted elsewhere:Genesis 6:
20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive.
Was Noah's flood global?
No, according to Barnes:
For the sake of Noah, the animal species also shall be preserved, "two of each, male and female." They are to come in pairs for propagation. The fowl, the cattle, the creeping thing or smaller animals, are to come. From this it appears that the wild animals are not included among the inmates of the ark. ... As the deluge was universal only in respect to the human race, it was not necessary to include any animals but those that were near man, and within the range of the overwhelming waters. Fodder and other provisions for a year have to be laid in.
Did Noah have marsupial kangaroos in the ark?
No, according to Barnes, it was not a worldwide flood but it looked like one to Noah. As far as Noah could tell, his world died. For all intents and purposes of the redemption story, it was a catastrophic/global event: all humans died except Noah's family. That's the point.
National Center for Science Education gives more detailed calculations:
Because of the curvature of the earth, the horizon drops from where the viewer is standing. However, the drop is proportional to the square of the distance between the viewer and an object on the horizon (Young nd). From these relationships, it can be seen that a tribal chief (or Noah) standing on the deck of a large boat (Ark), perhaps 7.8 meters above the water, would not be able to see the tops of any hills as high as 15 m from as little as 24 km away across flood plains covered with water because the curvature of the earth prevents it (See the Appendix for examples of calculations). Most hills in this region that are as much as 15 m high are more than 95 km away from the river levees. Therefore, the survivors of the Flood could see only water in all directions while they were floating down the Tigris River and over the flood plains. Many of these hills would also be partly covered with water which would make their tops project less above the water level, and therefore, the curvature of the earth would make them disappear from the line of sight in even a shorter distance than 24 km.
There is also a parallel Babylonian Story of the Flood written in about 1750 BC. Both stories called for a worldwide flood to destroy mankind. Even though the flood wasn't global, all humans in the world were killed except Noah's family.
Neither the Jews nor any other nation existed at the time of the flood! And you have no evidence at all to know what people knew over 4000 years ago about the earth. Pure projection on your part.There is no obligation for modern Canadians, Japanese, Maori, Scots and Zulus to have the same geographical notions as the ancient Jews, merely because the ancient Jews knew and suspected nothing of those nations.
Other than what they wrote about it...And you have no evidence at all to know what people knew over 4000 years ago about the earth.
Yes it was global, all earth landmass was covered, before anyone says there is not enough water on earth to do this know that the earth's crust contains a huge amounts of water...Genesis 6:
20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive.
Was Noah's flood global?
No, according to Barnes:
For the sake of Noah, the animal species also shall be preserved, "two of each, male and female." They are to come in pairs for propagation. The fowl, the cattle, the creeping thing or smaller animals, are to come. From this it appears that the wild animals are not included among the inmates of the ark. ... As the deluge was universal only in respect to the human race, it was not necessary to include any animals but those that were near man, and within the range of the overwhelming waters. Fodder and other provisions for a year have to be laid in.
Did Noah have marsupial kangaroos in the ark?
No, according to Barnes, it was not a worldwide flood but it looked like one to Noah. As far as Noah could tell, his world died. For all intents and purposes of the redemption story, it was a catastrophic/global event: all humans died except Noah's family. That's the point.
National Center for Science Education gives more detailed calculations:
Because of the curvature of the earth, the horizon drops from where the viewer is standing. However, the drop is proportional to the square of the distance between the viewer and an object on the horizon (Young nd). From these relationships, it can be seen that a tribal chief (or Noah) standing on the deck of a large boat (Ark), perhaps 7.8 meters above the water, would not be able to see the tops of any hills as high as 15 m from as little as 24 km away across flood plains covered with water because the curvature of the earth prevents it (See the Appendix for examples of calculations). Most hills in this region that are as much as 15 m high are more than 95 km away from the river levees. Therefore, the survivors of the Flood could see only water in all directions while they were floating down the Tigris River and over the flood plains. Many of these hills would also be partly covered with water which would make their tops project less above the water level, and therefore, the curvature of the earth would make them disappear from the line of sight in even a shorter distance than 24 km.
There is also a parallel Babylonian Story of the Flood written in about 1750 BC. Both stories called for a worldwide flood to destroy mankind. Even though the flood wasn't global, all humans in the world were killed except Noah's family.
See If you think that Noah's flood was global and wish to wager on it and follow up there.Yes it was global
Since the Bible does not say it was global, such a new doctrine would be man's addition to God's word.Yes it was global, all earth landmass was covered, before anyone says there is not enough water on earth to do this know that the earth's crust contains a huge amounts of water...
The word Global was not in use then but if you have eyes and can read it says; the Following;Since the Bible does not say it was global, such a new doctrine would be man's addition to God's word.
The word "world" was in use then. And God does not use it to describe the flood. He says "land" not "world." Why not just take His word for it?The word Global was not in use then but if you have eyes and can read it
Which is another reason we know it wasn't global. The Earth is not a flat surface under a dome with windows in it for water to pour through.And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that wereunder the whole heaven, were covered.
Well if you want to reject scripture that says it covered everything, every mountain it's on you. go see new geological evidences that prove that the earth crust contains more water than the seas. in any case, the lord can do anything he wants, why so much unbelief? why cant you believe what is written?The word "world" was in use then. And God does not use it to describe the flood. He says "land" not "world." Why not just take His word for it?
Which is another reason we know it wasn't global. The Earth is not a flat surface under a dome with windows in it for water to pour through.
Your revised interpretation is not scripture. Scripture is what God said, not you. And as you learned, God never said the flood was global or even world-wide. If He intended to say so, He would have done so.Well if you want to reject scripture that says it covered everything,
Which means nothing. The energy needed to extract that water from the rocks in which it's chemically and physically held, would have boiled the seas.go see new geological evidences that prove that the earth crust contains more water than the seas.
Which doesn't mean that He did everything you want. Calling in unscriptural miracles to clean up the problems in your beliefs would make any belief acceptable.in any case, the lord can do anything he wants
I just showed you that your imaginary water from the Earth would have required so much energy that it would have boiled the seas. And I showed you that God did not say the flood was global. Those are just modern man's revision of his word to make it more acceptable to them.You do not know what you re talking about
Your "global" addition is not in scripture. If God meant "the world was flooded", He would have used "world." But He said the land was flooded..I quoted scripture it was not an interpretation
But you're now a bit better-informed.wont be back on this thread
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