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The same question cuts both ways. There are many non-Calvinists, who, if they could get away with it, would kill a Calvinist. Hatred is just murder in the realm of thought.
These things ought not to be.
Believe it? I've seen it. Plus, it's a Scriptural phrase. Gotta mean something.Do Calvinists also believe one can fall away?
Believe it? I've seen it. Plus, it's a Scriptural phrase. Gotta mean something.
But then, the question is normally conventionally interpreted to mean someone can lose their salvation. Calvinists don't understand that to be the meaning of the phrase, "fall away".
then that's THEIR problem, and not mine... you dont have the authority to put me into the same category as them, regardless of being an administrator or not... yeah, it's wrong, i admit that, but dont even try to lump me into that crowd.
last time I noticed, it doesnt matter if Calvin's sin was imputed onto us or not when it comes to Calvinism... ADAM'S sin was, as total hereditary depravity would have it... I was just pointing out the possibility of how SOME theology can lead one into having a "holier than thou" attitude about their theology, and even Calvinist pastors and preachers are noticing that a lot of Calvinists these days are becoming very angry, hostile, hate filled, and harsh towards brothers who disagree...
and regarding the attitude of SOME Calvinists on this forum concerning Arminians/Non-Calvinists, you need to recheck some of these people you defend... if calling an Arminian no better than a Mormon or a Muslim, then maybe you are a bit blind to some of the bias here, ESPECIALLY on the soteriology boards...
and when it comes to other Arminians/Non-Calvinists, you wont find many here anymore, wanna know why? they left because of crap such as this... they left because of "holier than thou" Calvinists being impolite, hostile, and harsh, and biased mods partial to Calvinism letting Calvinists have free reign in the soteriology forum, and threatening any other person who differs in opinion with a ban when they try to defend Biblical teaching against Gnostic teaching.
you want to know HOW i know this info?... because I talk with them on a regular basis on other forums, such as carm.org... they dont stay here because they see the partiality and ridiculousness here on these forums when it comes to Calvinism and soteriology.
I've paid ENOUGH attention on these boards to realize that people are NOT treated fairly... you can make that claim all you want, but actions speak louder than words... and from the looks of it, you'd rather defend a Calvinist rather than a Non-Calvinist.
and to put it bluntly, if you've even cared to spend time around Arminians/Non-Calvinists, you'd actually realize that they consider Calvinists to be brothers/sisters in Christ too... but no, you'd rather listen to the Calvinist on here, who chew and spit on anyone who disagrees with them, and then get their Calvinist mod buddies to back them up.
I believe I have done so a number of times.Explain the difference as you understand it please.
Servetus had decided that Christ was returning to earth soon to lead a final battle, as described in Revelation. Servetus believed he would be one of the warriors in the battle, serving under his namesake Michael the Archangel. As the philosopher Will Durant explained, "Servetus was a bit more insane than the average of his time"
Serving as physician to the archbishop of Vienne, Servetus was able to arrange a secret publication of Cristianismi Restitutio. A copy found its way into the hands of John Calvin, who recognized the author as Servetus. Servetus was charged with heresy in Lyons, but the proof was with Calvin in Geneva, as no copy of the book existed in Lyons. In one of the stranger twists in history, Calvin apparently so detested Servetus theology that he had the book delivered to the Catholic Church authorities.
I follow Jesus Christ just as much as you do, Spurgeon.
I love Him, hear His voice, and follow Him.
As a non-Calvinist, I understand that it is not by works am I saved, nor is it through works in which I am kept... But thru His Grace in which I am saved (eph 2:8-9), and through faith in which I am kept by the power of God (1 Peter 1:5)...
You have heard that it was said, You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. (Matthew 5:43-45 NKJV)
That's what I live by
As i am a Calvinist turned Non-Calvinist, do you wish to kill me?
He won't have to kill you, Kal. If you don't follow the teachings of the French lawyer, then that means God has already predestined you to h-e-double hockey sticks!
"Whoever shall maintain that wrong is done to heretics and blasphemers in punishing them makes himself an accomplice in their crime and guilty as they are. There is no question here of man's authority; it is God who speaks, and clear it is what law he will have kept in the church, even to the end of the world. Wherefore does he demand of us a so extreme severity, if not to show us that due honor is not paid him, so long as we set not his service above every human consideration, so that we spare not kin, nor blood of any, and forget all humanity when the matter is to combat for His glory." - John Calvin
This quotation alone proves to me that the love of God did not exist in the heart of John Calvin... Sorry! Not my kind a' guy!
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