Was Hilter a Christian or not?

Fares · Mar 18, 2006

It still wouldn't surprise me if god took Hitler to heaven for killing those darn non-christians and the awful handicapped people. It would rather follow the pattern of all the killings in the bible.
But I think it's just as crazy as you think that a man who accepted the peaceful Jesus could kill so many.
But again, you just have to choose what to follow and what to not follow in the bible... It makes you a good christian anyways if you just believe in Jesus and holds the bible as your guide.

Who ever follow the foot steps of Jesus can not do wrong .
Look at mother Tereza who followed the Bible and Jesus .
So Hitler did not follow or accept Jesus in his heart , because he had so much hate for jews . Everytime you hate someone you reject Jesus .

God bless you all . Even the atheist like Nahienga that will not probably go to heaven ,
ROLF . Just a joke .

elijah115 · Mar 18, 2006

Nahienga said:
What I do know is that the verse is in the bible, and that christians want to follow the bible. Or am I wrong here too?

Are you trying to call me dumb, without a single idea of what I do know?
Or does the bible tell you to do so?
If so, I understand. It wouldn't be nice to break one of the laws in the bible, because then god the glorious will hunt you down with plauges and sickness until you're dead.

Christians follow Jesus Christ, not the bible. There's a difference. Also, I'm not calling you dumb, I'm calling not very knowledgeable about the religious basis of the faith you criticise. It's evident from you preconceptions about everything you talk about. And it's a good thing to let you know this, so that you can change it. But whether or not you change it is up to you.

elijah115 · Mar 18, 2006

Nahienga said:
It still wouldn't surprise me if god took Hitler to heaven for killing those darn non-christians and the awful handicapped people. It would rather follow the pattern of all the killings in the bible.
But I think it's just as crazy as you think that a man who accepted the peaceful Jesus could kill so many.
But again, you just have to choose what to follow and what to not follow in the bible... It makes you a good christian anyways if you just believe in Jesus and holds the bible as your guide.

Hitler doesn't follow any lesson in the bible. IF all real christians were like him, you have over 2.2 billion Hitlers. Do you understand this point? Anyway, I think I have spoken enough to you.

Nahienga · Mar 18, 2006

elijah115 said:
Christians follow Jesus Christ, not the bible. There's a difference. Also, I'm not calling you dumb, I'm calling not very knowledgeable about the religious basis of the faith you criticise. It's evident from you preconceptions about everything you talk about. And it's a good thing to let you know this, so that you can change it. But whether or not you change it is up to you.

I never criticize faith. But I question religion and belief. I wonder how crusaders and massmurders in the name of god occurs in monotheistic religions like christianity and islam, but I've never ever heard of a buddhist rampage against non-buddhists.
Why is it so? What is it in the theistic religions that makes you able to do horrible things? Even if it says in the holy scripture to not do so. And also tells you to do so, at the same time.

I know very well that there's A LOT of nice christians out in the world, but WHY or WHAT is it in the bible that makes good people to bad things that they think are right?
President George Bush claims to be a christian, and that god had told him to fight back the terrorists. With war.
Is that christian? Killing thousands of innocent "terrorists"? Because god and bible told him to do so?
No I don't think so.
Yet he's a christian?

So what is it in the bible that allows such bad deeds?

My guessings are that it's so anti-everything.
Anti-non-christians, anti-homosexuals, anti-thinking, anti-self-esteem, anti-peace, etc.
If those parts were skipped, christianity would get better reputation...
Why not Clothes of gods peace, instead of Armor of god? =)

Skillganon · Mar 18, 2006

elijah115 said:
According to islam, is christianity the true religion?

Well, if it was the religion Jesus practice when he was alive than yes. The question is it the religion, Jesus practiced?

Anyway, it is clear Christian e.g (Mr Bob Morey) does not believe in Islam. He consider it false religion.
Now according to Jesus, his honestly & truthfulness, are christian allowed to use lie's, deciet's, misqoutes, e.t.c to prove something (that is clearly a lie) of another religion, & lead on thousands of people believing in his lie, and carry on without apologising or admitting he was wrong lke an honest person. Would you consider him to be a christian, or a bad christian, or christian are allowed to do that.

Fares · Mar 18, 2006

Well, if it was the religion Jesus practice when he was alive than yes. The question is it the religion, Jesus practiced?

I know I am .

Anyway, it is clear Christian e.g (Mr Bob Morey) does not believe in Islam. He consider it false religion.

2.2 billion humans and even more consider Islam as a false religion .

Now according to Jesus, his honestly & truthfulness, are christian allowed to use lie's, deciet's, misqoutes, e.t.c to prove something (that is clearly a lie) of another religion, & lead on thousands of people believing in his lie, and carry on without apologising or admitting he was wrong lke an honest person.

No human beleiving in Jesus or not is allowed .

Would you consider him to be a christian, or a bad christian, or christian are allowed to do that.

I consider him as an animal not a human .

Now to the subject , it remains to be seen what this Mr Bob Morey have said about Islam .
Maybe what he said is true but you as a muslim see it as a lie .

Nahienga · Mar 18, 2006

Fares said:
2.2 billion humans and even more consider Islam as a false religion .

Do you think the rest consider christianity as the true religion?

Skillganon · Mar 18, 2006

Fares said:
No human beleiving in Jesus or not is allowed.
I consider him as an animal not a human .

Now to the subject , it remains to be seen what this Mr Bob Morey have said about Islam .
Maybe what he said is true but you as a muslim see it as a lie

Wow! So you will consider an animal.
Thank's wanted you'r opinion. It was concerning the "Moon God" issue. If you want to talk about it you can upon another thread.

Fares · Mar 18, 2006

Do you think the rest consider christianity as the true religion?

I must admit you got me there .

Nahienga · Mar 18, 2006

Fares said:
I must admit you got me there .

elijah115 · Mar 18, 2006

Skillganon said:
Well, if it was the religion Jesus practice when he was alive than yes. The question is it the religion, Jesus practiced?

The answer is yes. He is the author and perfecter of our faith (Book of Hebrews). So according to You, is modern christianity the true religion?

Skillganon · Mar 18, 2006

elijah115 said:
The answer is yes. He is the author and perfecter of our faith (Book of Hebrews). So according to You, is modern christianity the true religion?

You asking me this question, and you do not know what Islam is!

If you want an answer, So according to me christianity today (& past), do not practice & believe much of what Jesus practice & believe.

Fares · Mar 18, 2006

According to who ? Mohammed ?
how do you beleive this man ?
Look at this :

Book 38, Number 4348:

Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas:

A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was informed about it.
He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.
He sat before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.
Thereupon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.

Book 38, Number 4349:
Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib:
A Jewess used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. A man strangled her till she died. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) declared that no recompense was payable for her blood.

Book 38, Number 4356:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar:
Some people raided the camels of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him), drove them off, and apostatised. They killed the herdsman of the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) who was a believer. He (the Prophet) sent (people) in pursuit of them and they were caught. He had their hands and feet cut off, and their eyes put out. The verse regarding fighting against Allah and His Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was then revealed. These were the people about whom Anas ibn Malik informed al-Hajjaj when he asked him.

Fares · Mar 18, 2006

I have alot more of this .
This is scary .
Jesus never did something like this .

Please see the gravity of your beleives and faith .
You are choosing to follow a murderer then to follow Jesus .

I can not understand you .
After seen this you do not doubt Islam or Mohammed ?
I thought Islam means peace ? With peace comes forgiveness .
Where is the forgiveness in Islam ?

elijah115 · Mar 18, 2006

Skillganon said:
You asking me this question, and you do not know what Islam is!

If you want an answer, So according to me christianity today (& past), do not practice & believe much of what Jesus practice & believe.

The question is rhetorical. You and I knew what the answer would be before I asked, you just weren't prepared to say, "I believe christianity is a false religion"; so you put it in more subtle terms. If you being a muslim consider christianity a false religion, why should you curse Mr Morey for whatever He has said against Islam. I haven't read what Mr Morey wrote. I highly doubt you have read what Mr Morey wrote yourself. So what makes you fit to judge if He has lied about Islam. Furthermore I asked you earlier on why I should care about Mr Morey. What does He have to do with me? You brought up a random subject and expected my to have a honest view as if I know Mr Morey's heart or something. I don't see the relevance of discussing Mr Morey. i think you should stick to the topic, which is was Hitler a christian? The answer is no He wasn't, period.

Nahienga · Mar 18, 2006

Fares said:
I have alot more of this .
This is scary .
Jesus never did something like this .

Please see the gravity of your beleives and faith .
You are choosing to follow a murderer then to follow Jesus .

I can not understand you .
After seen this you do not doubt Islam or Mohammed ?
I thought Islam means peace ? With peace comes forgiveness .
Where is the forgiveness in Islam ?

I think everyone here know that Jesus never hurted anyone.
He was in my opinion the only sane and smart person in the entire religion, I completley understand why so many follow him.
But the thing is that some followers, like Hitler, takes the bible too literal, and then become hateful towards everyone and everything that isn't biblical.
Really, the only thing I dislike about Christianity is the centralisation of the bible, like it's the only that matters. To follow it blindly. It was manmade for power, about 2000 years ago. If there are an almighty, peaceful god out there, he would definatley not want us to write that book. And it's very out-dated now too.
Yet these "Biblians" are christians because they believe in jesus and god. But they're not "good" ones.
And they're definatley not representing christianity.

Islam is so similar to christianity, I hold the same views towards Islam too.

And as you said, we need forgiveness. And understanding. And I understand your religion, but there are some of the followers I do not understand.

Skillganon · Mar 18, 2006

Fares said:
I have alot more of this .
This is scary .
Jesus never did something like this .
Please see the gravity of your beleives and faith .
You are choosing to follow a murderer then to follow Jesus .
I can not understand you .
After seen this you do not doubt Islam or Mohammed ?
I thought Islam means peace ? With peace comes forgiveness .
Where is the forgiveness in Islam ?

Fares, you should not really qoute bit's & bob's randomly and say here you go & I got many more!. This question will be answered either by me or other's.

Fares said:
The question is rhetorical. You and I knew what the answer would be before I asked, you just weren't prepared to say, "I believe christianity is a false religion"; so you put it in more subtle terms. If you being a muslim consider christianity a false religion, why should you curse Mr Morey for whatever He has said against Islam. I haven't read what Mr Morey wrote. I highly doubt you have read what Mr Morey wrote yourself. So what makes you fit to judge if He has lied about Islam. Furthermore I asked you earlier on why I should care about Mr Morey. What does He have to do with me? You brought up a random subject and expected my to have a honest view as if I know Mr Morey's heart or something. I don't see the relevance of discussing Mr Morey. i think you should stick to the topic, which is was Hitler a christian? The answer is no He wasn't, period.?

Ok, than let be put it this way, I think much of what you believe today is false, and not thought by Jesus.
2ndly, I am content whith christian following Jesus as a role model, and Believing in ONE almighty Creator.
Now the point about Mr Morey, is He is in a sense like Hitler, He led so many believe in something else, with deciet, lie. When exposed for his tactic he refused to apologise, or admit it & carries on selling his book to the mass.

You are right Elijah, The topic is Hitler a Christian.
& FARES, please delete what you posted here, and create another thread & post it there! or is that not a repectable christian thing to do?

Fares · Mar 18, 2006

Fares, you should not really qoute bit's & bob's randomly and say here you go & I got many more!. This question will be answered either by me or other's.

Thank you , again for prouving that you dont know who is the real mohammed this is from the hadith . You want the source to check it out ? Or do you prefer to ignore it ?

Skillganon · Mar 18, 2006

Fares said:
Thank you , again for prouving that you dont know who is the real mohammed this is from the hadith . You want the source to check it out ? Or do you prefer to ignore it ?

I will be happy to do so, if you kindly, in respect for not going off the topic of this thread, Create you'r own thread and post it their, & delete the one you posted here! Is that clear!
SO I repeat I will be happy to Discuss "this matter" on the hadith, Islam, and discuss Christianity(bible) point of view "toward's this" FARES, IF you are willing to upon up another thread, and DELETE the post #173 in this thread.

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 18, 2006

The question is rhetorical. You and I knew what the answer would be before I asked, you just weren't prepared to say, "I believe christianity is a false religion"; so you put it in more subtle terms. If you being a muslim consider christianity a false religion, why should you curse Mr Morey for whatever He has said against Islam. I haven't read what Mr Morey wrote. I highly doubt you have read what Mr Morey wrote yourself. So what makes you fit to judge if He has lied about Islam. Furthermore I asked you earlier on why I should care about Mr Morey. What does He have to do with me? You brought up a random subject and expected my to have a honest view as if I know Mr Morey's heart or something. I don't see the relevance of discussing Mr Morey. i think you should stick to the topic, which is was Hitler a christian? The answer is no He wasn't, period.

I have alot more of this . This is scary . Jesus never did something like this . Please see the gravity of your beleives and faith . You are choosing to follow a murderer then to follow Jesus .I can not understand you .
After seen this you do not doubt Islam or Mohammed ? I thought Islam means peace ? With peace comes forgiveness . Where is the forgiveness in Islam ?

May I ask what is the importance of Hitler being a christian or not? We know he didn't walk in the light that is of Christ, so what is the point?

All that does is just reopen old wounds of the past and does nothing to glorify God or walk in the Faith that if of the Name of Jesus Christ today.

For example, there are many christians that look at Constantine being in revelation, which is absurb in itself. Some believe the Pope is even an "anti-christ", even more absurb.
So where does it all stop and walking in Christ today start? Just curious.

Matthew 5:16 "Let your Light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.

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