Was Goliath Stricken with Acromegaly?

JackRT said:

Mine is a very special time of life when your age and IQ pass each other moving in opposite directions.

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Can't work out the PM system, so I'll ask in public: Can I quote that please.

Radrook said:

Was Goliath Stricken with Acromegaly?

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No.

Tanj said:

Can't work out the PM system, so I'll ask in public: Can I quote that please.

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Of course.

JackRT said:

It was sometimes the practice that rather than engaging two opposing armies, a "champion" was chosen from each army to engage in single combat to decide the outcome.

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Looks like that wasn't the case here.

1 Samuel 17:51 Therefore David ran, and stood upon the Philistine, and took his sword, and drew it out of the sheath thereof, and slew him, and cut off his head therewith. And when the Philistines saw their champion was dead, they fled.
1 Samuel 17:52 And the men of Israel and of Judah arose, and shouted, and pursued the Philistines, until thou come to the valley, and to the gates of Ekron. And the wounded of the Philistines fell down by the way to Shaaraim, even unto Gath, and unto Ekron.
1 Samuel 17:53 And the children of Israel returned from chasing after the Philistines, and they spoiled their tents.

The reason this issue is so ignored, covered up or down right denied is because it implies a categorically different plane of existence - and those entities being able to sexuqlly assault humans on this plane. Usually, this is done by making the sons of God = Seth and his sons. But, this is an error; the assault had began with Adam and Eve.

Like some ritual magick, once someone is enlightened it is sealed with a covenant - sexual, blood sacrifice, or a combination. Cain*** is NOT Adam's son. Just because Eve "bear again" with twins doesn't mean Adam was the father.

Cain is a first born; the bible is a canon that names tell firstborns on purpose. Cain only went to Nod after Abel died. However, CAIN is not listed as a son of Adam, and Cain's lineage does not begin with any (earth) Father at all - it begins with Cain.

Everyone should be traceable back to being a son or daughter of God through Adam. Christ's history is described up to, "who was the son of Adam, who was the son of God." So is his mother's, and Joseph's. No where does it say, "Cain, the son of Adam, the son of God."

This is much more detailed in apocryphal books, but it is definitely incredible stuff - right in the bible no less. A major issue why this also may be denied is because the rephaim, anakim, enim and Nephilim survived after the flood, or rather, continued their angle-human hybrid abominations.

For people who do the most covering up, it is because they realize that this also means some humans on this planet are marginally, partially or wholly defiled with non-human DNA. Remember, the flood happened not because people were super evil, but because they were super evil AND they were involved in genetic manipulation of all types of creatures. Noah was perfect in his generations not because he was sinless, but because he and his sons had 100% human DNA - and their genetics weren't transmutated.

We are at a different dimension of war that is so dynamic that this physical reality (and its truth stranger than fiction) is actually a projection of that war - but it isn't the actual battlefield.

Kind of makes sense why Christ said you have to be born of water and spirit, now doesn't it? Clearly, water birth is through a female womb... well, the angels found that loophole in Eve. But, since humans are the only ones who have the potential to be born of spirit also, we have the gift. Hybrids get their spirit from their fathers - the angels. That is why when they die, they turn into demons forced to wander the earth without a vessel. Golliath''s spirit is still around. Og''s spirit is still around. Those Philistines are still around in spirit seeking vessels to fill so they can live/experience again. God hasn't killed any THING yet, and those fallen angels are in chains, or at war now being thrown out of heaven.

This is incredibly controversial stuff, but as said before truth is stranger than fiction. So, why cover this up? Because it could mean many of us (including some obvious "evil" types of persons) have fallen DNA. That can and has gone two ways: racism through assumed providence, or genocide through assumed providence. People aren't ready for that; imagine if just 5% of the world actually knew whether they were humans, or "of the gods..." that is roughly the population of the States. It would be a catastrophic revelation.


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AV1611VET said:

Looks like that wasn't the case here.

1 Samuel 17:51 Therefore David ran, and stood upon the Philistine, and took his sword, and drew it out of the sheath thereof, and slew him, and cut off his head therewith. And when the Philistines saw their champion was dead, they fled.
1 Samuel 17:52 And the men of Israel and of Judah arose, and shouted, and pursued the Philistines, until thou come to the valley, and to the gates of Ekron. And the wounded of the Philistines fell down by the way to Shaaraim, even unto Gath, and unto Ekron.
1 Samuel 17:53 And the children of Israel returned from chasing after the Philistines, and they spoiled their tents.

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I do not understand your objection. Each side chose a champion to compete in single combat. David prevailed over Goliath. That should have been the end of it. The Philistines should have made and orderly withdrawal leaving Israel as the clear winner. However, the Philistines panicked and fled. The Israelites had no reason to pursue but they saw their chance and took it and made a slaughter. All the rules of honourable combat were discarded. This is not terribly surprising because this is the way tribal wars have been fought throughout history.

JackRT said:

I do not understand your objection.

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Maybe you don't want to?

JackRT said:

That should have been the end of it.

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But it wasn't.

Evidently the Philistines just didn't get it, did they?

After David slew Goliath, this happened:

2 Samuel 21:18 And it came to pass after this, that there was again a battle with the Philistines at Gob: then Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Saph, which was of the sons of the giant.

So for the second time, their representative (either Goliath's brother or son) was slain by the Hebrew's representative?

But evidently the Philistines still didn't get it, did they?

2 Samuel 21:19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

Maybe they thought the third time would have been a charm?

So now we have Goliath slain, his son (or brother), and now his son, and yet still ...

2 Samuel 21:20 And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.
2 Samuel 21:21 And when he defied Israel, Jonathan the son of Shimea the brother of David slew him.

Maybe they ought to get a clue and stop sending representatives of Goliath's family, each one weak and disoriented with this acromegaly, that ... [was it you who said] ... any Israelite could whip?

Your view of the word "champion" reminds me of my favorite Garfield comic, where Garfield is eating a bird, and another bird walks right up to him and says, "You just ate my brother!"

Then you see Garfield eating him, and another bird walks up and says, "You just ate my brothers!"

And Garfield looks at the reader (breaks the fourth wall) and says, "I love this family!"

Here's your version of the story:

• David just slew our champion, Goliath!
• Next battle, we'll send out his sick son, Saph.
• Sibbechai just slew our champion, Saph!
• Next battle, we'll send out his sick brother, what's-his-name.
• Elhanan just slew our champion, what's-his-name!
• Next battle, we'll send out his sick brother; the one with six fingers and toes.
• Jonathan just slew our champion; the one with six fingers and six toes!

I don't know what Canada is teaching you guys as history and what to kiss, but I'm Genghis Khan.

In not one of the scriptures you cited above does it indicate that these large men were killed in a battle of champions. They simply say that they were killed in battle and who killed them. It would also seem that being of giant stature gave them no real advantage over a skilled fighter of normal size. Perhaps they were clumsy due to inherited Acromegaly ?

Radrook said:

I recently suggested this possibility on another discussion after having provided a links to a list of unusually tall people, some of whom had reached 8 feet 8 inches in height and was told that such a thing in reference to Goliath is far more unlikely than the possibility of abiogenesis.

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I believe it is unlikely because Goliath was not the only extremely tall person. He had brothers that were also tall and there were others such as Og.
When Caleb and Joshua went with others to check out the land of Canaan they came back saying that there were people who were so big that they felt like grasshoppers compared to them.

For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of the giants [rephaim]. Indeed his bedstead was an iron bedstead. (Is it not in Rabbah of the people of Ammon?) Nine cubits is its length and four cubits its width, according to the standard cubit (Deuteronomy 3:11).

JackRT said:

In not one of the scriptures you cited above does it indicate that these large men were killed in a battle of champions. They simply say that they were killed in battle and who killed them. It would also seem that being of giant stature gave them no real advantage over a skilled fighter of normal size. Perhaps they were clumsy due to inherited Acromegaly ?

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Let's simply this discussion: I don't believe you.

Hank77 said:

I believe it is unlikely because Goliath was not the only extremely tall person.

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Maybe acromegaly is contagious, eh?

AV1611VET said:

Let's simply this discussion: I don't believe you.

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I'll see that and raise.

Ygrene Imref said:

Cain is a first born; the bible is a canon that names tell firstborns on purpose. Cain only went to Nod after Abel died. However, CAIN is not listed as a son of Adam, and Cain's lineage does not begin with any (earth) Father at all - it begins with Cain.

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?
Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.