Warningthepeople and his Doctrines

[boxman144]

Hi all, may Jesus's grace be upon you.

Recently I've been checking out this YouTuber named "warningthepeople". His videos are quite troubling, convicting even. But I've seen a lot of videos calling him out on his teachings. Is what he preaches true, especially about Hell? Please check out his channel, and come back. Feel free to give any of your opinion on his channel, and anyone can answer.

Here's a video of his:

May Jesus bless you all,

boxman144

 

[truthisfreedom2019]

This video that he put out is the truth. I have not seen the others yet so I cannot tell you on the others. It is not the religious ones that will be saved, it is only they that truly walk with him that will follow him into eternal life. Before the Lord came and walked on this earth the ones he went to were religious but they did not walk with God so they did not know him.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Hi all, may Jesus's grace be upon you.

Recently I've been checking out this YouTuber named "warningthepeople". His videos are quite troubling, convicting even. But I've seen a lot of videos calling him out on his teachings. Is what he preaches true, especially about Hell? Please check out his channel, and come back. Feel free to give any of your opinion on his channel, and anyone can answer.

Here's a video of his:

May Jesus bless you all,

boxman144

Usual confusion about the difference between being born again and the salvation of the soul. Tell me that King David is in hell. He lived for himself for a time and big time at that. Who does not live for themselves at least to some degree? Where do you draw the line? Many will miss out entirely on the salvation of the soul because they refuse to deny themselves. Paul refers to their works as wood, hay and straw. Their works will be consumed by the fire of God's judgement. There will be founders of mega-churches who lose everything. Yet they will be accepted into heaven if indeed they are born again.

 

[createdtoworship]

Hi all, may Jesus's grace be upon you.

Recently I've been checking out this YouTuber named "warningthepeople". His videos are quite troubling, convicting even. But I've seen a lot of videos calling him out on his teachings. Is what he preaches true, especially about Hell? Please check out his channel, and come back. Feel free to give any of your opinion on his channel, and anyone can answer.

Here's a video of his:

May Jesus bless you all,

boxman144

I was troubled by his video myself. It's like the verse he quoted was right, but everything HE SAID about it was wrong. Just because you are living for yourself does not mean you are going to hell. Salvation is a process, grace is there every day to keep us when we mess up. If God was not gracious I would never worship Him, I may fear Him, and respect Him, but I would not trust Him with my heart. I think it's easier for teachers to teach according to the flesh of works salvation, it makes sense to the flesh to get paid for your merits. And heaven is your payment and your merits are your good works. That makes perfect logical sense. But then God throws a curve ball in the mix with grace, even the angels desired to look into grace (they don't have grace). they were like, wow what is the new soteriology. That is because with moses came the law, but grace and truth came with Christ. That does not mean you can do whatever you want and still be saved. Don't misundernstand me. I feel that repentance is salvific. We must repent of our idolatry turn from our wickedness and turn to Christ in faith to receive the free gift. But it's not a work like the guy is saying. It's not selfishness that keeps us out of heaven, it's a sin that has no payment. Christ was the payment. So that stuff is very misleading. It literally made my stomach upset watching it. When people twist the word, it just gives me heart ache.

 

[Amittai]

I'm not sure if my browser is showing the right videos. The one I saw was quite brief.

The Baptist says, produce works worthy of your repentance. James says, faith without works is dead.

Those aren't going to be works of the flesh. Those are going to be fruits of the spirit.

The worship of God is to not stunt the growth of our fellow widows and orphans in Father's firm. St Paul's attitude was sacrificial and he was despised by superapostles.

True covering, in addition to the literal, is supporting the growth of our neighbour's gift. (It is not bossing and manipulating.)

God doesn't want us to deprive them of the chance of holy ambition by dumbing down their "birth".

Those were the people that said "Lord Lord" and not "Lord Lord Lord", who fancied they could negotiate to be saved without entering the Kingdom. God may allow this result but not by negotiation!

It is one thing to trick oneself (this is an area where it will be impossible to have clever enough discernment) but a far more terrible thing to steal the bread out of their brothers' mouths.

These things are in Jesus' parables. The Kingdom of God is to rule (generously and humbly) over first relatively little, later if we are found suitable, over more.

I intuit TIF20 and Aussie Pete are saying much the same.

 

[truthisfreedom2019]

When a child is walking with a parent, they may claim that they did something or went to one place or another. In truth, they got to that place or did this or that because the parent helped them to get there. They can take credit for the little things like stepping in the puddle and splashing the man, getting there hand caught in the shopping cart, or knocking off boxes in the store. As they grow older, they begin to get better at following. We must become like little children to enter the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 18:3). A child is usually dependent on parents to get around because they can not drive. We are to seek God's guidance for everything we do. We all eat, sleep and work, which is a normal necessity and the will of God. However, we should ask for guidance from him concerning these things. Seek to be lead by his spirit at all times. His spirit NEVER leads to sin. When we do or say things that we should not, it was not the spirit that guided us to do so. It is then time to turn around and run and catch up to our guide. He will instruct us to make amends for what we have done. His spirit is always moving, leading people toward the kingdom of heaven; not away from it. Religious practice does not save us, that is our own works. We must walk with him to be saved. No one arrives at the kingdom of heaven on their own. To walk with him let us pray for guidance on everything ready to forsake all things of this earth. Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego did. That should be our desire. We must walk with him to be saved.

 

[Religiot]

Hi all, may Jesus's grace be upon you.

Recently I've been checking out this YouTuber named "warningthepeople". His videos are quite troubling, convicting even. But I've seen a lot of videos calling him out on his teachings. Is what he preaches true, especially about Hell? Please check out his channel, and come back. Feel free to give any of your opinion on his channel, and anyone can answer.

Here's a video of his:

May Jesus bless you all,

boxman144

The truth is in God's word.

Anyone who does not speak according to the law of God, and the testimony of Jesus Christ, Yehoshua Messiah, is not speaking the truth. (Isaiah 8:20; Revelation 12:17; 14:12)

There's new, folks! False teachers and false prophets are the majority of ministers--the true Church is out in the wilderness!

 

[FreeGrace2]

Hi all, may Jesus's grace be upon you.

Recently I've been checking out this YouTuber named "warningthepeople". His videos are quite troubling, convicting even. But I've seen a lot of videos calling him out on his teachings. Is what he preaches true, especially about Hell? Please check out his channel, and come back. Feel free to give any of your opinion on his channel, and anyone can answer.

Here's a video of his:

May Jesus bless you all,

boxman144

Without seeing the video, just the title across the top (living for self leads to hell) tells me he is one of the works salvation types, who falsely think that one's behavior is the key to salvation. That leaves grace completely out of the picture.

Romans 3:28 - For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

The "works of the law" refers to behavior in general. And Paul had just stated that no one is justified by keeping the law.

Romans 3:20 - Therefore no one will be declared righteous (justified) in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

 

[FreeGrace2]

This video that he put out is the truth. I have not seen the others yet so I cannot tell you on the others. It is not the religious ones that will be saved, it is only they that truly walk with him that will follow him into eternal life.

Your last sentence reveals your theology; which is one of works. The command to "walk with Him" is to believers only, those who are already saved.

Eternal life is given solely on the basis of faith in Christ. We MUST trust in HIS WORK for our salvation. Not ours.

Romans 3:28 - For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

The "works of the law" refers to behavior in general. And Paul had just stated that no one is justified by keeping the law.

Romans 3:20 - Therefore no one will be declared righteous (justified) in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

 

[truthisfreedom2019]

Your last sentence reveals your theology; which is one of works. The command to "walk with Him" is to believers only, those who are already saved.

Eternal life is given solely on the basis of faith in Christ. We MUST trust in HIS WORK for our salvation. Not ours.

Matt. 24:12-1312 "Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved." If lawlessness causes love to grow cold then one can conclude that embracing the law increases love. Enduring always takes effort or works. Even faith takes effort to maintain which is works.

 

[Amittai]

Works worthy of our repentance are Holy Spirit fuelled. They are works of mercy, intellectual and other kinds, to our fellows. At so many churches they hammered on about how they mustn't have works, well those were the ones who didn't help me mature.

Grace is for further works because without the Holy Spirit we can struggle to help others mature and they can struggle to mature. Isn't that what the talents are about. Grace overcomes the barrier that our prior works were inadequate. Aren't christians going to be asked questions? When did we visit, clothe etc. James is about what we do for other Christians after we join the church/convert/repent. The fivefold is in-in-in-in-out. The only up is what is in and then out (if you see what I mean).

 

[FreeGrace2]

Matt. 24:12-1312 "Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved." If lawlessness causes love to grow cold then one can conclude that embracing the law increases love.

This has nothing to do with salvation by behavior.

Enduring always takes effort or works. Even faith takes effort to maintain which is works.

The context for v.13 (the one who endures to the end will be saved) is this:

3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

Jesus' disciples asked Jesus about the 'end of the age', referring to the Tribulation.

4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you.
5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many.
6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.
7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.
8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.
9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.
10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other,
11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.

So, it is clear that the context for "enduring to the end" refers to enduring through the Tribulation.

Since v.9 specifically mentions physical death, the context for "enduring to the end" refers to surviving through the END of the Tribulation. The "salvation" mentioned in v.13 refers to deliverance or rescue.

It is a mistake to assume that every use of "saved" or "salvation" in Scripture refers to eternal soul salvation. More than half of all uses refer to being delivered or rescued from various temporal dangers.

Also note that v.10 specifically notes "may will turn away from the faith". This refers to believers who "lose faith". There should be no doubt that believers who lose faith during the Tribulation will face God's discipline, which does include physical death.

1 Cor 11:30 - That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep (euphemism for physical death).

 

[FreeGrace2]

Works worthy of our repentance are Holy Spirit fuelled. They are works of mercy, intellectual and other kinds, to our fellows. At so many churches they hammered on about how they mustn't have works, well those were the ones who didn't help me mature.

Grace is for further works because without the Holy Spirit we can struggle to help others mature and they can struggle to mature. Isn't that what the talents are about. Grace overcomes the barrier that our prior works were inadequate. Aren't christians going to be asked questions? When did we visit, clothe etc. James is about what we do for other Christians after we join the church/convert/repent. The fivefold is in-in-in-in-out. The only up is what is in and then out (if you see what I mean).

Sorry, but no, I don't see what you mean. Please clarify. Thanks.

 

[Amittai]

Sorry, but no, I don't see what you mean. Please clarify. Thanks.

At a church I went to, there was a slogan, with gestures, up-in-out. It's good as a general description of the church. Up being our orientation to God. Now they would sort of shallowly misapply that to ignore aspects of the ministries. Hence I adapt it thus.

In Paul's writings apostling is in my parlance 'in' towards the church (though it is outward looking from the apostle's immediate circle)
Pastoring - 'in'
Teaching - 'in'
Prophesying - mostly 'in' towards the church but sometimes 'out' from one's circle
Evangelising - 'out' (ward)

My point was in the context of grace and works of the flesh and works of grace, and that it is worshipful of God to do His will.

 

[Amittai]

I should have put that better ... to do His will in His strength. Holy Spirit power is power for caring for the church and putting our relationships right.

By the way we do unity (i.e not the "corporate" way the world does it) the world will know we are the people of Jesus.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I should have put that better ... to do His will in His strength. Holy Spirit power is power for caring for the church and putting our relationships right.

By the way we do unity (i.e not the "corporate" way the world does it) the world will know we are the people of Jesus.

Thanks for the clarification. I agree.

 

[Gr8Grace]

Hi all, may Jesus's grace be upon you.

Recently I've been checking out this YouTuber named "warningthepeople". His videos are quite troubling, convicting even. But I've seen a lot of videos calling him out on his teachings. Is what he preaches true, especially about Hell? Please check out his channel, and come back. Feel free to give any of your opinion on his channel, and anyone can answer.

Here's a video of his:

May Jesus bless you all,

boxman144

Works. Just look at the title.(Did not watch it, the title reveals false teaching)
Acts 16:31. Believe it, you will not go to the lake of fire.

Live for self AFTER salvation ? We have misery in this life, loss of blessings,discipline and possible loss of physical life.

To bad that the world has blinded the majority of believers of how to ACTUALLY live the spiritual life!
Do not Grieve the Spirit.
Do not quench the Spirit.
If we have?......1 John 1:9.

Name and site our sins to God. And be filled with the Spirit and walk in Him.

The majority, the VAST majority have no clue of His plan. And walk in 'good' behavior program or RELIGION............A SELF life. Still saved and sealed though! John 10:28.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Hi all, may Jesus's grace be upon you.

Recently I've been checking out this YouTuber named "warningthepeople". His videos are quite troubling, convicting even. But I've seen a lot of videos calling him out on his teachings. Is what he preaches true, especially about Hell? Please check out his channel, and come back. Feel free to give any of your opinion on his channel, and anyone can answer.

Here's a video of his:

May Jesus bless you all,

boxman144

Well, I agree with him that we need to live radically for Jesus.
We do need to deny ourselves, pick up our cross, and follow Jesus.
The road is narrow and few be there that find it.
But he needs to temper his videos with the love of God, too.
For if we do not love, it profits us nothing.
For if we do no love our neighbor, how can we say we love God?
Granted, I cannot judge what is in his heart, and I know that there are those who save with fear and they pull others out of the fire. It seems like he may be one of these types mentioned in Jude 1:23.

But to the "Sin and Still Be Saved Salvationist" (Which appears to be like 90 some % of the churches out there) they see God's grace as a safety net to sin in some way. Sure, they may talk about "repentance" or "turning from idols" or "living holy," but they do not really understand what these things mean when the Bible talks about them. They do not understand that Jesus and His followers warned about how abiding in certain unconfessed sins can destroy us spiritually. Yes, we are initially and ultimately saved by God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ. But...

The Bible also teaches that certain kinds of unconfessed sins can separate us from God from Matthew to Revelation (Matthew 5:28-30) (Matthew 6:15) (Matthew 12:37) (Matthew 25:31-46) (Luke 9:62) (1 John 3:15) (Galatians 5:19-21) (Revelation 21:8).

The Bible also teaches that obedience to God's commands is tied to eternal life from Matthew to Revelation (See Matthew 19:17-19) (Luke 10:25-28) (1 John 1:7) (1 John 3:23) (Hebrews 5:9) (Revelation 22:14).

Believers have to confess and forsake sin in order to have mercy (See: Proverbs 28:13, 1 John 1:9, 1 John 1:7, Luke 18:9-14, John 5:14, John 8:11). Believers have to live holy after they are saved by God's grace; For without holiness, no man shall see the Lord.

Believers are confused today because they think Paul was talking about all forms of Law including the commands given to us by Jesus (When this is not the case). Paul was referring to the 613 laws of the Law of Moses as a whole or package deal. This does not mean we do not follow certain Laws that have carried over into the New Covenant (i.e. the New Testament). The Moral Law (like: Do not kill, do not steal, do not covet, etc.) is still in effect. The Ceremonial Laws and the Judicial Laws of the Old Law (the Law of Moses) have not carried over into the New Covenant. We do not have to keep the Saturday Sabbath, or be circumcised, or keep dietary laws, etc.; We follow those commands given to us by Jesus and His followers.

For the Law (the Old Law) came by Moses,
but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Side Note:

As for his views on hell:

Well, looking at the titles of his videos by doing a search for "hell" on his YouTube page, it appears he is for Eternal Torment (Which is the popular church view).

I believe in Dualistic Conditional Immortality.

This is the view that hell is a very real and literal place for the wicked after they die, but the Lake of Fire is only a temporary place of punishment for the wicked with them eventually burning up or being erased from existence. To learn more, check out this thread I created here at CF.

CF Thread - Dualistic Conditional Immortality.

Note:

Traditional Conditional Immortality denies the existence of a literal hell, and they generally hold to full head on soul sleep. The heart of all forms of Conditional Immortality is that they are teaching that the Lake of Fire will eradicate or end the existence of the wicked at some point. In my understanding on God's Word, and in walking with the goodness of the Lord, Conditional Immortality (destruction in the Lake of Fire) sounds to me like fair justice.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Well, I agree with him that we need to live radically for Jesus.

Yes, we do. But not for salvation. We are saved by grace through faith.

We do need to deny ourselves, pick up our cross, and follow Jesus.

Yes, we do. Not not for salvation, but for blessings during our life, and rewards in eternity.

But to the "Sin and Still Be Saved Salvationist" (Which appears to be like 90 some % of the churches out there) they see God's grace as a safety net to sin in some way.

This is ridiculous. What church advocates that believers continue to sin?

Sure, they may talk about "repentance" or "turning from idols" or "living holy," but they do not really understand what these things mean when the Bible talks about them. They do not understand that Jesus and His followers warned about how abiding in certain unconfessed sins can destroy us spiritually.

How can a believer, who has been given ETERNAL life, then "die spirituallly". Arminians just cannot provide a coherent answer.

Yes, we are initially and ultimately saved by God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ. But...

The Bible is clear. There are no "but's" attached to our salvation.

The Bible also teaches that certain kinds of unconfessed sins can separate us from God from Matthew to Revelation (Matthew 5:28-30) (Matthew 6:15) (Matthew 12:37) (Matthew 25:31-46) (Luke 9:62) (1 John 3:15) (Galatians 5:19-21) (Revelation 21:8).

Yes, the believer with unconfessed sins is separated from fellowship with the Lord. 1 John 1.

The Bible also teaches that obedience to God's commands is tied to eternal life from Matthew to Revelation (See Matthew 19:17-19) (Luke 10:25-28) (1 John 1:7) (1 John 3:23) (Hebrews 5:9) (Revelation 22:14).

None of these verses say what you claim. ONLY faith in Christ is "tied to eternal life".

Eternal Life:

John 3:15-16 15 so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. 16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:36 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

John 5:24 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

John 6:40 "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."

John 6:47 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord

1 Tim 1:16 Yet for this reason I found mercy, so that in me as the foremost, Jesus Christ might demonstrate His perfect patience as an example for those who would believe in Him for eternal life.

Gal 3:22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

1 John 5:13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

As for his views on hell:

Well, looking at the titles of his videos by doing a search for "hell" on his YouTube page, it appears he is for Eternal Torment (Which is the popular church view).

So, you don't??!!

I believe in Dualistic Conditional Immortality.

This is the view that hell is a very real and literal place for the wicked after they die, but the Lake of Fire is only a temporary place of punishment for the wicked with them eventually burning up or being erased from existence. To learn more, check out this thread I created here at CF.

Eh, thanks, but no thanks.

I'll continue to believe what the Bible says about the lake of fire and its eternality.

Rom 19:20 - 20But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

Rev 20:10 - 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Rev 20:15 - Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

Note

:

In my understanding on God's Word, and in walking with the goodness of the Lord, Conditional Immortality (destruction in the Lake of Fire) sounds to me like fair justice.

Except the Bible says nothing about "destruction in the Lake of Fire". Instead, the Bible speaks of everyone, fallen angels and unsaved human beings, "will be formented day and night for ever and ever".

That sure doesn't sound like the end of existence.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

To all:

I believe many believers today do advocate a form of disobedience without them even realizing it. They say they do not lose salvation via by sin (Which means that by default they can sin and still be saved on some level). I have heard many believers in the popular "sin and still be saved" camp tell me that a believer can commit suicide and still be saved, or they teach that the "sin unto death" is God taking the life of a believer home early to be in Heaven on the account of the fact that they lived in sin and they are no longer useful to God. Sure, many of these believers may not advocate extremely gross sin like murder, rape, child abuse, etc.; But on the other hand, they have admitted to me many times in the past that a believer can commit the sin of lying, hating, or lusting and not confess of such a sin and then, if they get hit by a bus and die, they are still saved. This is why they say future sin is forgiven them. It gives them a safety net to sin on some level. Yet, 1 John 1:9 says "if we confess our sin, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sin..." Proverbs 28:13 says that he that confesses and forsakes sin shall obtain mercy.

The words of Jesus that state: "If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me" relates to salvation.

Context:

"For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 16:25).​

The whole idea here behind losing your life for Christ will save it means exactly that. One will be saved if they lose their life for Christ by denying themselves, picking up their cross, and following Jesus. It's the context. Jesus says the one who saves his life shall lose it. Meaning, the one who saves their life for sinful desires or themselves will lose it.

Even more context:

"For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?" (Matthew 16:26).​

The idea of a person living in sin or for themselves is that they will be buddies with the world and like the sinful things that the world likes. So they will be best buddies. But Jesus says the one who gains the whole world will lose their own soul.

Many believers who advocate that they can sin and still be saved will of course deny that they are teaching a form of turning God's grace into a license for immorality. But listen real careful to them. They preach a double message. Sometimes they may advocate obedience, and other times they will advocate that they can sin and still be saved. But make no mistake: In my experience, most believers today appear to teach that they can on some level disobey God and still be saved. For many believers today hold to the view that a believer who commits suicide can still be saved. I remember reading a Gotquestions article a while back; It taught that while a genuinely saved believer is supposed to outwardly show that they live a holy life, they also said that a believer who goes prodigal into sin for a time is still saved. If such is the case, then they one can live prodigal all the time. So they are preaching a double message just like most all churches these days.

The only true deterrent in not committing grievous sin is if one knows that abiding in such grievous sin will cause spiritual death.

In fact, what many believers who advocate a sin and still be saved belief teach that they are saved by quoting John 5:24. Let's look at the verse.

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." (John 5:24).​

I am pretty sure this is not just listening while disobeying Jesus. To truly hear somebody means that you take heed to their instructions (Otherwise you are not really hearing them).

Acts of the Apostles 3:23 says,

"...every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people." (Acts of the Apostles 3:23).​

According to verse 22, that prophet is JESUS!
Anyone who does not hear JESUS will be destroyed!

We see this even in Matthew 7:26-27. Jesus says that the person who does not DO what He says is like a fool who built his house upon the sand, and when a storm came, great was the fall of that house.