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warning might cause ocd spikes religious ocd(scrupulosity) the dreadul ocd

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This has been my experience with this dreadful form of ocd.

I think the terror that a person has become appostate is a dreadful form of ocd (scrupulosity)..Cause when a person is terrified that they are unforgivable it can be very very difficult to overcome because they think as long as there is a chance that they have become appostate or unforgivable that the promises in the bible no longer apply to them because they are appostate now and nothing can be done.The terror seems to confirm it all as well and causes the mind to become clouded with confusion and hopelessness.
This is such a horrible and tormenting form of ocd because it focuses on a person's eternal destiny and makes the person think they have lost safety in Jesus and can no longer call on Him.
It makes the suffering person think His wrath abides upon them forever.Therefore coming to Jesus can be terrifying since a person thinks that Jesus is furious with them and His wrath abides on them and that they have forever insulted Him and that they themselves must therefore be very evil and that their sins cannot and will not be washed away.
The terror and anguish and torment of this kind of ocd seems to either be confirming those thoughts or else causing those thoughts.A person with this type of ocd has a very hard time accepting that it is ocd because it all seems so very real and the scriptures appear to back it up through their distorted thinking which the torment in their mind causes with extreme confusion and inability to focus or feel God's grace.This has been my experience with ocd.Has anyone here had similar experiences to this?

The way I am learning to deal with this is to keep meditating on God's Word and the promises and nature of Jesus.It is only through the grace of Jesus that I am beginning to heal from this.
Jesus said His words are truth and they are life.They are life to them that find them.Jesus also said come to Me all ye that labour and are heavy laden.So I am coming to Jesus with my ocd.Prayer is very powerful because Jesus hears and answers prayer and said to come to Him as little children and to seek and ye shall find.Jesus promises that when we ask Him for something good He will give us the good thing we ask for.
Jesus is teaching me the difference between the ocd fears and the truth as I come to Him even with my terror and fear and ocd.
Jesus said said He came to heal the broken hearted and set at liberty them that are bruised and to heal the broken hearted.He said that a bruised reed He would not crush and a smoking flax He would not snuff out,these are some of the promises He makes to us.I am beginning to realize that Jesus is protecting me through all this.
I have also began seeing a very kind counselor who is also christian and prays for me at the end of each session.It was very hard for me to not have anyone to talk about my feelings with before.This ocd forum has also helped me immensly.The people here are all so supportive and understanding and caring.Many people have found the different ocd therapies very helpful too and medication.The thing is that this horrifying form of ocd is possible to beat , or at least become manageable I think.
Does this make sense at all to anyone , or have other people had similar experiences with religious ocd or (scrupulosity)? or have your types of religious ocd been very different?Do you think each kind of religious ocd has a root fear or do the fears keep changing and morphing into different fears?Have you beaten it or has it beome manageable?If not do you think it can be beat or become manageable?

Jesus Bless
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Hey annrobert,
I definetely know how you feel. You wonder whether you became apostate and I am wondering if I am becoming that way. I feel like I'm giving up and about to quit. I don't want to but my heart feels like it wants to rebel and not do what God wants me to. I hope that I am so worn out trying to determine if I have ever been saved that my heart is tired. I have a hard time trusting God and letting it go and believing that it is done. I hope we both can get through this.
Take care
James
 
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yes james...... you are worn out.......... and annrobert, you are deffinetely doing what you need to by focusing on our loving GOD, and all HIS promises even to HIS children who wander away even to those who at the last minute realize they need hIm ( the thief on the cross) even to those who rebel ( in actuality its a fight not to everyday for all of us in some way or another...... we have to realize its a journey that doesnt end, but as i learn more and more i see a GOD that wants to know HIS creations.... we just have to let HIM..... its a gradual thing SO DONT HURRY IT.....


its all going to be alrite because HE doesnt lie.....

pj
 
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Well, I think actually OCD latches onto anywhere it can. OCD demands 100% certainty and faith and even life, in general, just doesn't usually provide 100% certainty. Even when there does seem to be total certainty about something, OCD will often find some way to doubt it.:o:doh:

My own religious OCD has had many of these fears before about being unforgivable and many other things. A lot of them have been overcome by really understanding and believing that, like we've talked about on several threads, that if we come to God, He will receive us. I totally believe the old rule of thumb "if you're concerned you've committed the unpardonable sin, you haven't." Really understanding and believing this has helped me with a lot of the kind of OCD struggles we see here on this forum. Of course, I still battle other forms of OCD.
 
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tis and excellent post ... i can sooo relate . im struggling with many of these issues ..

to be honest about treatment i am pessimistic because i have not seen real hope in modern medicine or therapy i see contradictions i see drs fishing in the dark grasping at straws for answers .
i see the pharmaceutical companys profiting off of our pain and still not delivering on thiese wonderul promises in capsule form ...im sorry ann robert i do not believe that ocd is managable by what most of us would consider traditional means ..and the pity is is that i cant even talk about the positive things i have learned or my post will be deleted ..
 
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I totally believe the old rule of thumb "if you're concerned you've committed the unpardonable sin, you haven't.

Would that also apply to someone being concerned about the Holy Spirit no longer striving with them?
 
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I remember seeing a video when I was young at church of this guy who was crying his eyes out because he said the Holy Spirit was no longer striving with him hence he couldnt get saved. That still haunts me.
 
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I dont know, but I cant help but wonder if it happend to him why it couldnt happen to someone else.
Well, it was just a story, not reality. Bear that in mind. And even it it "represented itself" as true, doesn't mean that this was actually the case even if someone perceived it to be that way. Maybe THEY had OCD!!!
 
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Well, it was just a story, not reality. Bear that in mind. And even it it "represented itself" as true, doesn't mean that this was actually the case even if someone perceived it to be that way. Maybe THEY had OCD!!!


It was an interview with someone so it wasnt fake. That is what makes it scary.
 
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Well, then I think the guy was wrong like you are wrong about your own situtation. Sometimes people just get into a spirit of condemnation about their salvation like you are, but that doesn't make it so.

kaykay I hope you are right.
 
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Hi Keryakos,

tis and excellent post ... i can sooo relate . im struggling with many of these issues ..

Thankyou keryakos,
I guess I am not alone, but this is such a horrible experience.


to be honest about treatment i am pessimistic because i have not seen real hope in modern medicine or therapy

I basically agree,since I do not see much hope in modern therapy either,It seems like many people do not improve with it.However some people say they are helped, and if they get some help that is great.Yet in my experience I have not seen it.I believe it is good to have someone to talk to and receive support from , and get perspective on things with,or to have someone to pray with or for you.

i see contradictions i see drs fishing in the dark grasping at straws for answers .
I see this too keryakos

I see the pharmaceutical companys profiting off of our pain and still not delivering on thiese wonderul promises in capsule form ...

Oh yeah, they do definately profit off our pain ,huge ,massive profits.I realize again that some people have received some help from meds and for those people it has helped that is great.However there are so many people suffering so greatly and medication has not helped them at all and neither did it help me.Maybe some chemical imbalances are not helped with meds? For those people that it does help, that is wonderful.It is just that I have seen many many people taking meds and still suffering terribly.If a doctor suggests meds and a person wants to try that is fine in case they are a person that it does help.


im sorry ann robert i do not believe that ocd is managable by what most of us would consider traditional means ..

For many cases I agree with you keryakos.Traditional means has helped some people , but then again it has not helped many people.What do the people who have not been helped by it do? where do they go?Is there hope for them?
I wonder what percentage of people have been helped by traditional means?
And I wonder how many people have tried to get help that way and have not got help?


and the pity is is that i cant even talk about the positive things i have learned or my post will be deleted ..

I am very interested,if you would like to private message me.Thanks
Jesus Bless you
annrobert
 
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All I have to add is that Jesus said that he who comes to Him...anyone... he who comes to Him, He will by no means cast out. That has helped me before when dealing with issues of well have I blasphemed the Holy Spirit or haven't I. God isn't in the throwing souls away business. If He came to earth on purpose from HEAVEN, to die a terrible death for us, and YOU, and of course He did, as He died FOR THE WHOLE world, as the Bible says, then why on earth would He turn you over to a reporbate mind. The very fact that you DESIRE to go to heaven shows that you are obsessed with loving Him, serving Him, and wanting to be with Him. No matter what you've done, and I mean, no matter WHAT you've done, there is forgiveness to be had at His table. This is the faith that the devil DOESN'T have. Faith is a choice to obey. A belief, a choice to BELIEVE Jesus can and will save you. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. If you feel unloved by Him, it is because you aren't studying the WORD enough. Because Jesus IS the Word and He is full of two things, GRACE and TRUTH. We all want grace, but truth is what sets you free. The truth is, Jesus loves you, always has, and will forgive what you have done, if you are willing to BELIEVE and TRUST Him for it. That is what faith is all about. How I look at it, faith is NOT just in the fact that Jesus died and rose again. It's in teh fact that He did that because He loves you and wants you with Him to enjoy the heaven He prepares for you. This is the faith that overcomes the world. The BELIEF, choice to choose to believe, that Jesus IS love, the Father personified, just like the Bible says. And if you lack that faith, it's not that you are deficient. It's that you are not trying to live free from sin and studying the Word. Because anybody who tries to live free from sin and STUDIES the Word often, or just READS it, for relaxation and to find the truth, will find that Jesus really is love and made the Bible for us to know that by.

The Bible also says...I will NEVER leave you, nor forsake you. A choice to ignroe these truths and NOT believe what Jesus says makes Him a liar and not the lover of your soul that He is. It is a denial of who He is as a Person to say that He doesn't love you. The main thing to do is take the time to study the Bible for yourself and put less faith in what your eyes and ears and senses and mind tells you, and more into what GOD SAYS. God says, "I came all the way from a nice place in a glorious Throne to come down and see about YOU. I wanted you to be with ME, so I DIED, on purpose. Trust Me, rely on Me, draw your strength from Me, and live as right as you know how. Cause in the End, if you put your faith and trust in Me, and really DO that, not just think about it, I WILL take you home. What do I require of you? Your simple, childlike, obedient faith. If you don't believe that I love you, after I tell you over and over, it doesn't make me love you less. But it makes you less happy and less able to enjoy the life I provide for you to live in Christ, my Son. Plus, it makes me sad that you won't do what it takes to know my character better by spending time with me, instead of on doctors who only tell you you're nuts and needs meds. I am a Healer and all your streams are in Me. Come to Me, I will help you. If you refuse, that's on you, and it really is. I'm sorry you won't take me at My Word. That's all I really want from you. I love you. Cheer up."

I'm not trying to be mean. I know that doctor's have their place in sick people's lives. But often, especially if it's not a Christian doctor, we are seeking help in the wrong place. God requires a price from us. Holy living. If we feel that we are doing so awfully for Him, we first need to start by doing our best to make right choices and be holy. After that, He MAKES it His job to make sure we know we're going to heaven if we do the next right thing and read His Word often. Nuff said. I'm through. Hope that helps and you see that I DID have good intentions with this post. Peace and love.

- Matthew
 
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I have struggled with scrupulosity as well. I keep going back to God's words; who He says He is (loving, gracious and compassionate, ready to forgive, 1st John 1:9) and what He promises. I have to keep reminding myself not to base my faith on my feelings but on the truth. It's dangerous to base my faith on my feelings because they can spiral the wrong way if I'm fighting a battle in my mind. I think the enemy wants to use our fears to try to flatten our faith in discouragement and despair. These days I often ask the Lord to strengthen my faith. Am so grateful that Jesus said we only need a mustard seed's worth to move mountains. I don't care about moving mountains, I just want to live in His love.
 
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I have struggled with scrupulosity as well. I keep going back to God's words; who He says He is (loving, gracious and compassionate, ready to forgive, 1st John 1:9) and what He promises. I have to keep reminding myself not to base my faith on my feelings but on the truth. It's dangerous to base my faith on my feelings because they can spiral the wrong way if I'm fighting a battle in my mind. I think the enemy wants to use our fears to try to flatten our faith in discouragement and despair. These days I often ask the Lord to strengthen my faith. Am so grateful that Jesus said we only need a mustard seed's worth to move mountains. I don't care about moving mountains, I just want to live in His love.

very good post michael:thumbsup:
 
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