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Im not judging. You feel judged but its not me who is doing it. I already said im not anti military. Im anti war.I tell you what you are free to not serve but do not judge those who have choosen to ir would have chooen to do so had their health allowed ( like me).
and I have already told you that most people ( that are not violent or crazy are anti-war there is a difference in PROMOTING war and being willing to engage in it if nothing else works.Im not judging. You feel judged but its not me who is doing it. I already said im not anti military. Im anti war.
I can see you dont agree with my understanding of holiness. Our holiness is important to our prayers. We must be holy or God will not answer our prayers. Thats what the bible teaches us.and I have already told you that most people ( that are not violent or crazy are anti-war there is a difference in PROMOTING war and being willing to engage in it if nothing else works.
Our holiness is important to our prayers. We must be holy or God will not answer our prayers. Thats what the bible teaches us.
I dont see dropping bombs as being a good Samaritan. Thanks for your reply.There was a holy man walking down the street who came upon a victim who had been badly beaten, lying at the side of the road. He passed by on the other side.
Let's modify that parable for the sake of argument:
There was a holy man walking down the street who came upon a victim who was, at that very moment, being beaten viciously by a robber. What do you think he did? Would he be any more likely to help the victim than when he came after the fact? Of course not. He was too busy being holy to interfere!
How does a good Samaritan act when he encounters the victim in the process of being beaten? For the victim's sake, I hope he responds violently. All holiness is an effort to limit the extent of sin. It is not merely a bragging right for one individual over another. You don't get to stand by and watch one man commit violence against another, never intervening, and consider it the other man's sin only, and not your own.
I know what you were quoting which is why I said read verses 5 and 6. The Romans quote was a separate point I was making. So no, I am not confused.I wasn't quoting Romans 13. You are confused.
As far as we know, this never changed.When Saint Paul was writing his letters, Christians were not in power and had no control over any government.
Ok, thank you.I know what you were quoting which is why I said read verses 5 and 6. The Romans quote was a separate point I was making. So no, I am not confused.
As far as we know, this never changed.
If Christians were in power (earthly), we believe that there would be no war.
When I first started reading this thread I thought; what a fantastic thread. I thought you had asked a very important question but soon I realised you weren't asking for opinions, you weren't open to hearing other people out, you were out to get everyone to agree with you, correct me if I am wrong. The truth is that we all know in part, and that includes me. If you are not prepared to learn or to consider that you may not have got it entirely right on an issue what is the point in raising it on a forum like this? The first few posts were great but soon this whole thread turned into a back and forth argument over the same thing where not much merit is given to what people are trying to say. Having said that you seem to have changed your approach slightly in your last post and that is refreshing to see.I admit, they do make a good point about helping someone who needs help, such as in the good Samaritan story, but i have a hard time supporting war. I use to be a Christian who supported war, but i changed my mind. It'll be something that bothers me the rest of my life i suspect.
When I first started reading this thread I thought; what a fantastic thread. I thought you had asked a very important question but soon I realised you weren't asking for opinions, you weren't open to hearing other people out, you were out to get everyone to agree with you, correct me if I am wrong. The truth is that we all know in part, and that includes me. If you are not prepared to learn or to consider that you may not have got it entirely right on an issue what is the point in raising it on a forum like this? The first few posts were great but soon this whole thread turned into a back and forth argument over the same thing where not much merit is given to what people are trying to say. Having said that you seem to have changed your approach slightly in your last post and that is refreshing to see.
I have a view on this matter and have already expressed it but I do not believe that I know all there is to know about the topic and I am open to learning from anyone who will prove me wrong or give me a new perspective. Simply going back and forth with the same bible verses does not strike me as helping people to get a different perspective. By the way I am not trying to attack you or anyone here, just trying to open up a potentially interesting discussion to allow other perspectives to be shared.
Thanks for starting this thread.
Is there some reason we can't do both?
The truth is that, over all, everywhere, there is more corrupt than not corrupt, and God's Word is the standard, in Chrirst, in prayer, to do as Christ says (not as anyone's opinion says - not even to listen unless God permits, then also not to accept, unless first tested and proven as God's Word says (rightly, as God says) ) .The truth is that we all know in part, and that includes me.
If a person or a nation is lamenting their immoralities and bringing them to Jesus Christ as a broken and contrite heart, then it would be hypocritical to practice the opposite by bombing your enemies, for it is written love your enemies. .
I believe Trump would say Bomb First Pray Later.
What's defective about that argument is that the people you are speaking of are able to pray, but they do not "bomb" enemy nations. That is a function of governments.
Yet on this thread we see a rather casual condemnation of anyone who doesn't argue against what the government does when IT engages in an act of war.
It's a completely bogus argument.
How easily you've switched from talking about "War" and "Bombs" to...How so?
As Christians we are not instructed by Jesus to support those picking up a sword or to pickup a sword ourselves. Jesus couldn't have made it clearer to Peter.
That's sophistry. No, it does not amount to guilt by association in any way.To pray for a government who actually does the bombing, is to also be guilty by association of what results from the bombing.
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