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here is the deal, wheathor or not you feel bad about sin, you merely have to stop doing it to please God! and do the other things he requires of you as in the bible! then your all good, you'll make it in in no time!
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO FEEL BAD ABOUT SIN TO STOP SINNING.
If one must stop sinning in order to be saved then Christ died in vain and no one will be saved because no one has truly ever ceased from sinning.
when i say stop sinning, i don't mean stop sinning completely. i mean repent of the desire to do evil in your heart. so your right, but i'm right as well, you just misunderstood me. Jesus himself has told people to stop sinning, i think that's what he meant.
I'm glad I found this. I am struggling SO much with the same thing. I keep thinking that if I do not have a real sense of the horror of sin, a real sorrow at having offended God, and a real heartfelt agreement that I deserve hell, then I cannot be saved. I know that I have pride, and self-righteousness, and callousness - but I am POWERLESS to change it. Believe me, I have tried. Some people say that a person cannot truly come to Christ until they have an experience of brokeness over sin, feeling themselves to be hell-deserving. But I don't recall the apostles ever saying "Believe that you deserve hell and you will be saved" or "Feel sorry for offending God and you will be saved". I get so confused. One day I rest on Christ's work, and the next I am doubting my salvation again because I think "No born again person would think the way I do, or have the heart attitudes that I have" I keep expecting my thoughts/feelings/attitudes to change as soon as I believe, but they don't, and it scares me. I wish everyone could agree on what it means to be saved. If I am constantly questioning this, does it mean I am not saved? Shouldn't I just "know that I know that I know"? Shouldn't I have a sense of Christ Himself living in my heart? Or is that trying to live by sight/feelings/experience rather than faith?I struggle with assurance, and am currently struggling with it, but I will tell you what I've learned.
First of all, the Gospel is not a prayer. You won't ever be saved through a prayer, ever. You'll only walk away with no assurance, or you'll be deceiving yourself into thinking you've "accepted Christ as" your "Savior." But in reality, you've accepted nothing.
The Gospel saves. Not your prayers. The Gospel is that God demonstrated His righteousness, His justice, and His love towards us, that He sent His only Son into the world to be a propitiation for our sins. All while we were and are helpless to save ourselves. Christ was put over for our sins, and raised on the third day of His death for the justification of His people. Christ is our wisdom, our sanctification, our righteousness, and our justification. It's not a matter of you performing a righteous act before God in order for Him to accept you. You either are accepted in Christ, or you aren't. How are you accepted? Through believing.
But don't mistake belief. Belief is not the Gospel. The Gospel is that God demonstrated His righteousness, His justice, and His love towards us, that He sent His only Son into the world to be a propitiation for our sins. All while we were and are helpless to save ourselves. Christ was put over for our sins, and raised on the third day of His death for the justification of His people. Christ is our wisdom, our sanctification, our righteousness, and our justification.
Belief is not a righteous act which you perform to commend yourself to God. Belief is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. In other words, faith rests on what you cannot see. Faith hopes in God. Faith rests on the finished work of Christ. It's not a work. It's a resting on the finished work of the Savior.
It's not a matter of whether you sorrow enough. In fact, who sorrows enough over their sin? No one. Yet if this was a pre-requisite to be saved, then it is no longer Christ who saves, but your penitence for sin. A righteous act. A blaspheme to the Savior. Christ must save and Christ alone, and Christ does not depend on your penitence. But on His sovereign will to save those who believe.
But is not your impenitence a reason to trust on the Savior? Is not your impenitence proof that you cannot save yourself? Isn't this impenitence pointing you to Christ? Thou must save, and Thou alone.
You say that you understand everything about salvation. That's great. But I hate to tell you this, you don't. If you think you're saved by prayer, you don't understand the basics of the Gospel. I say this not to anger you, but to reconsider your stance and to really study the Gospel. Again, it is the Gospel that saves, not your penitence, not your prayer, not your faith. Why? Well, the Gospel is the power of God, not the power of man, unto Salvation, for everyone who believes.
So what do you do? Nothing. You "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ." But isn't that doing something? No. It's resting on the facts of a risen Savior for your sins. If you do not rest on this, and insist you must work, or must have some remorse, or must repent, or must believe, and make a work out of that which are graces, you blaspheme the Savior. You say, "Your work was not finished, I must add to Calvary." You call God a liar, and spit on the blood of Christ. Yet Christ, what did He say, "It is finished." So if God said, "It is finished." What can you, a human, do to add to that? What can you, a human, do but trust that God meant what He said before He bowed His head in death for sinful men, to justify them before His Father, and to spend life eternal with them?
You refuse to come to Him that you may have life. You are like a Pharisee, you wish to justify yourself. Yet don't take my word for it. Open your Bible and you'll see what I am saying is not just my opinion, but a fact of all mankind. Not just some specific people, but all of us. We are all haters of God, and cannot be reconciled to Him but by the Savior.
Don't rest on anything this self-righteous generation tells you. Test it with scripture. You'll see that all who say, "You MUST do this," or, "You MUST do that," are just as self-righteous as the Pharisees and are essentially saying, "But LORD, did I not have enough FAITH in YOUR NAME? Did I not work enough in Your name? Didn't I repent in Your name? Didn't I cast out demons, didn't I have fruits?" Yet none of these people, not one, said, "But Lord, did your Son not die in my stead?" Because that is salvation, and anyone who trusts in Him will not be put to shame.
This thread is evidence enough that people want input in their salvation. Test what they say. Test what I say. But I can assure you, anything that points you to yourself, the disease, and not to Christ, the Physician, is a lie straight from the pit of Hell and will not save you, but only eternally damn you.
Repentance and faith are evidences. Not roots. Christ is the Root. But even the disciples, while they knew Christ, lacked faith. Christ even asked, "Why are ye so fearful? how is it ye have no faith?" Yet were they not loved by the Son of God and chosen by Him?
As I believe I told the original poster assurance doesn't come by looking at yourself but in looking to Christ alone.I'm glad I found this. I am struggling SO much with the same thing. I keep thinking that if I do not have a real sense of the horror of sin, a real sorrow at having offended God, and a real heartfelt agreement that I deserve hell, then I cannot be saved. I know that I have pride, and self-righteousness, and callousness - but I am POWERLESS to change it. Believe me, I have tried. Some people say that a person cannot truly come to Christ until they have an experience of brokeness over sin, feeling themselves to be hell-deserving. But I don't recall the apostles ever saying "Believe that you deserve hell and you will be saved" or "Feel sorry for offending God and you will be saved". I get so confused. One day I rest on Christ's work, and the next I am doubting my salvation again because I think "No born again person would think the way I do, or have the heart attitudes that I have" I keep expecting my thoughts/feelings/attitudes to change as soon as I believe, but they don't, and it scares me. I wish everyone could agree on what it means to be saved. If I am constantly questioning this, does it mean I am not saved? Shouldn't I just "know that I know that I know"? Shouldn't I have a sense of Christ Himself living in my heart? Or is that trying to live by sight/feelings/experience rather than faith?
Would you mind sharing with us what your sins are?I don't think the "prayer" saved me at all...I know the prayer cannot save me...it is my belief that saves me right?
I just don't feel bad about my sin...I believe Jesus died on the cross for my sins, rose again, etc. I believe all that. I know that I'm sinner...I just don't feel bad about my sin...and I wonder if that's a problem. I just don't want to mess around with someting so important as my eternity.
May I ask why? Her sins are no ones business but hers and the Lord's. Do you want to air your dirty laundry publically? Would you wish to have us know your thoughts much less your acts?Would you mind sharing with us what your sins are?
Can you give say 3 examples of the situation, sin and how you look at it as far as your Christianity?I want to be saved and go to heaven but I don't feel bad about my sins. I know I am a sinner and according to the Bible I deserve to go to hell. But I don't feel bad about my sins. I heard that if you do not feel bad about your sins you cannot be saved. I understand everything about salvation and I've prayed it before but I only did it because I want to go to heaven and not hell. Am I saved? Can I be saved if I don't feel bad about my sin?
I want to be saved and go to heaven but I don't feel bad about my sins. I know I am a sinner and according to the Bible I deserve to go to hell. But I don't feel bad about my sins. I heard that if you do not feel bad about your sins you cannot be saved. I understand everything about salvation and I've prayed it before but I only did it because I want to go to heaven and not hell. Am I saved? Can I be saved if I don't feel bad about my sin?
I think what is needed here is a Definition of repent, then go to a good concordance and all the places in the new testament you find repent, read it, and see what conclusion you come to; no one but God can convict a person of the need to change, and God does that through His Holy Word.What kinds of sins are we talking about?
I think what is needed here is a Definition of repent, then go to a good concordance and all the places in the new testament you find repent, read it, and see what conclusion you come to; no one but God can convict a person of the need to change, and God does that through His Holy Word.
That sounds an awful lot like "shake and bake" Christianity. I can do it and God helped.Biblical repentance is an attitude of humility before God which starts in recognizing one's need for a Savior (Jesus) to atone for their sin, and proceeds with a workable attitude to turn from one's own, selfish ways of living and learn to live as Jesus taught us to live. This is life in Christ.
You need not be perfect, as Jesus already did that for us and won us access to Father God through faith in His work of the cross. But you do need to recognize that you cannot simply continue on living your own way. Stumbling into gross sins such as fornication and idolatry, among other sins Paul mentions, doesn't disqualify you from the "inheritence" every believe has in Christ, but "practicing" them willfully as if God endorses such things will.
If the original poster is stumbling in their faith because of every little thing, this is not Biblical. They need to overcome the condemnation of their heart and recognize God doesn't want them walking on eggshells. He is working in and through us as we grow in the knowledge of the Lord.
If someone is willfully engaging in adultery, theft, or idolatry as a regular practice, and it's part of their lifestyle, that is an issue. They need to repent and turn from such practices calling on the name of Jesus to set them free from such things. He is faithful to make the way of escape and cleanse us of such unrighteousness.
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