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Wafa Sultan/Amired by this Christian

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What a girl. Prayers for her safety from all Christians.
Thank you.



Interview with Dr. Wafa Sultan

Wafa Sultan: The clash we are witnessing around the world is not a clash of religions, or a clash of civilizations. It is a clash between two opposites, between two eras. It is a clash between a mentality that belongs to the Middle Ages and another mentality that belongs to the 21st century. It is a clash between civilization and backwardness, between the civilized and the primitive, between barbarity and rationality. It is a clash between freedom and oppression, between democracy and dictatorship. It is a clash between human rights, on the one hand, and the violation of these rights, on other hand. It is a clash between those who treat women like beasts, and those who treat them like human beings. What we see today is not a clash of civilizations. Civilizations do not clash, but compete. ...

[...] I am not a Christian, a Muslim, or a Jew. I am a secular human being. I do not believe in the supernatural, but I respect others' right to believe in it.

Dr. Ibrahim Al-Khouli: Are you a heretic?

Wafa Sultan: You can say whatever you like. I am a secular human being who does not believe in the supernatural...

Dr. Ibrahim Al-Khouli: If you are a heretic, there is no point in rebuking you, since you have blasphemed against Islam, the Prophet, and the Koran...

Wafa Sultan: These are personal matters that do not concern you. [...] Brother, you can believe in stones, as long as you don't throw them at me.

The New York Times featured a profile of Dr. Sultan this week: For Muslim Who Says Violence Destroys Islam, Violent Threats.

In response [to Dr. Sultan's comments], clerics throughout the Muslim world have condemned her, and her telephone answering machine has filled with dark threats. But Islamic reformers have praised her for saying out loud, in Arabic and on the most widely seen television network in the Arab world, what few Muslims dare to say even in private. ...

"I believe our people are hostages to our own beliefs and teachings," she said in an interview this week in her home in a Los Angeles suburb.

Dr. Sultan, who is 47, wears a prim sweater and skirt, with fleece-lined slippers and heavy stockings. Her eyes and hair are jet black and her modest manner belies her intense words: "Knowledge has released me from this backward thinking. Somebody has to help free the Muslim people from these wrong beliefs." ...

Dr. Sultan said she took those words [the "heretic" accusation by Dr. Ibrahim Al-Khouli] as a formal fatwa, a religious condemnation. Since then, she said, she has received numerous death threats on her answering machine and by e-mail.

One message said: "Oh, you are still alive? Wait and see." She received an e-mail message the other day, in Arabic, that said, "If someone were to kill you, it would be me."

Dr. Sultan said her mother, who still lives in Syria, is afraid to contact her directly, speaking only through a sister who lives in Qatar. She said she worried more about the safety of family members here and in Syria than she did for her own.

"I have no fear," she said. "I believe in my message. It is like a million-mile journey, and I believe I have walked the first and hardest 10 miles."

TIA Daily's Robert Tranciski provide a good analysis of the above stories as well as a Los Angeles Times piece: "The Escaped Prisoner": Wafa Sultan's Forward Strategy of Intellectual Freedom.

[The interview] was Wafa Sultan's declaration of intellectual independence from Islam. It was a declaration, by an Arab speaking in Arabic to an Arab audience, that Islam is a backward, violent religion, and that a secular, free society—a culture of science, independent creative thought, and political freedom—is superior to the Islamic culture of faith. ...

[T]he fact that Wafa Sultan is not a "moderate Muslim" is precisely what makes her so important. What the Arab world needs—and what we need to deploy as our primary intellectual offensive against Islamic fanaticism, is not such a watered-down version of the same violent Islamic dogmas. As I remarked when I originally covered this story on March 1, the reason I admire Wafa Sultan is that "She's no 'moderate Muslim'—she's an uncompromising firebrand in the defense of reason and freedom."

Let us hope that this firebrand can set off a conflagration of independent thought. And let's do whatever we can to add fuel to those flames and spread them across as much of the globe as possible
 

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Fares said:
No .
Lets pray for her, for those christians persecuted in Islamic countries, for those brave souls that are joining us while risking the death penalty and for our ennemies .
What is the meaning of 'NO'?

She's a valiant soul and in great danger.
The prophet said to kill all who leave Islam.
Hadith 9:57
 
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Fares said:
No .
Lets pray for her, for those christians persecuted in Islamic countries, for those brave souls that are joining us while risking the death penalty and for our ennemies .
She is not christian according to her and I will pray for her and for you, may God guide you to the truth.

Peace.
 
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I'm concerned that this "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" is taking over parts of the church. Secular human beings are not sons or daughters of God, no matter how much they hate Islam. It would perhaps be better for us to support Dr. Sultan's ideology without supporting her personally.

By the way, I saw this discussion on Al-Jazeera television. Rather interesting.
 
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As the "resident philosophy major", I have to agree with my colleague.
 
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Redwolf said:
What is the meaning of 'NO'?

She's a valiant soul and in great danger.
The prophet said to kill all who leave Islam.
Hadith 9:57
Brother read the sentence after the "No" ,
"Lets pray for her ( DrWafa Sultan ) , for those christians persecuted in Islamic countries, for those brave souls that are joining us while risking the death penalty ( ex-muslims ) and for our ennemies ( those who are persecuting us ) ."

LightOfEyes said:
She is not christian according to her and I will pray for her and for you, may God guide you to the truth.
We see the truth of Islam in the qu`ran, the hadith and in daily events .
The truth about how non-muslims should be treated .
I am sorry for you lightofeyes that hamas has brainwashed you till a point
that you no longer regonize what is right and what is wrong , between good and evil .

You are a lost soul that only Jesus can find .
I will be praying for you today .
Have good day brother .

arunma said:
"the enemy of my enemy is my friend"

Dr Wafa Sultan said what all of us think . She is the brave one .
 
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Fares said:
Dr Wafa Sultan said what all of us think . She is the brave one .

No she didn't. She advocated secularism; that is not what I am thinking. Besides this, I don't have any hatred of Islam. I don't think that it can lead a person to salvation in Christ, but that doesn't make it especially evil. The way I see it, at least they are monotheists.
 
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but that doesn't make it especially evil
Did you miss the verses in the qu`ran about apostates and infidels ?
Bahais do not beleive the salvation is in the Christ yet I dont find them evil . I dont have hate for them , nor for jews or hindu or buddist but with Islam its a matter of either you are one of them either you are against them .
 
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Nowadays , anyone who seeks money or fame has a very easy way to acheive it.
all he/she has to do is defame Islam the ONLY TRUE religion on earth because it is illogical to believe that there is only ONE God and still believe that He ordained more than one religion, made the followers of each religion think that they have the right one, while others are wrong!?

God ordained only one religion which is Islam or monotheism , meaning worshiping Him alone without associating anyone or anything else with Him.

Ever since He created Adam , God sent some Book to people by His Prophets so that people knew the purpose of their existence on earth, which is to worship Him, and to let them know that they will be judged after death when the DAY of JUDGEMENT arrives where everyone will be rewarded by going to Heaven if he obeyed God, or he will be punished by going to HELL if he disobeyed God.

All God’s messengers conveyed the same message which is Islam meaning worshiping the ONE & ONLY TRUE GOD , therefore all prophets including Jesus PBUH were Muslims.
All God’s Books contained the same basic teachings
The difference is only in the laws
God did not reserve any of those Books except the HOLY QURAN , for He knew that they were temporary , and for specific people at specific times.
We now have the HOLY QURAN . It Is for all mankind and contains all what was in the old books. Through it we can understand the Creator and everything we need to know.

I mean that Islam is GOD'S ONLY ACCEPTED RELIGION and MUHAMMADS message is NOT a new religion as most people think.




 
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I mean that Islam is GOD'S ONLY ACCEPTED RELIGION
Fares said:
No .
Lets pray for her, for those christians persecuted in Islamic countries, for those brave souls that are joining us while risking the death penalty and for our ennemies .
I agree. I actually pray for all people and leaders around the world that they may one day see who the Lord Jesus Christ represents. The Holy Spirit of Truth must have come unto her pretty strongly and I pray she keeps up her strength and courage through the Lord.
Thank you Lord for our Beloved Apostle Paul also.

1 Timothy 2:1 I exhort, then, first of all, there be made supplications, prayers, intercessions, thanksgivings, for all men: 5 For [there is] one God and one Mediator between God and men, [the] Man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time, 7 for which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle....[SIZE=+2]
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LightOfEyes said:
She is not christian according to her and I will pray for her and for you, may God guide you to the truth.

Peace.
She is clearly someone prepared to live her life apart from the dictates of clerics. She does not have to be Christian to make her special for this behavior alone.

If by truth you mean the pagan Islam, then rest in peace. My God knows how to deal with such, needs no help from me, and will NEVER encourage my acceptance of it.
Nor would I accept the horrors Islam allows.
 
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The church?
You are Catholic?
All humanity are God's children and He has specific ideas about what He intends to do with them

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. (KJV)
That Shepherd would be Christ.

Now, I ask myself this............would Christ support her personally? He did, when He gave His life as a ransom for His creatures.
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Your naivete is alarming.
Or should I say expected.
 
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Indeed!

And thank you.
 
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I've read portions of the Quran (including the passages about killing infidels). I have also read the Law of Moses, which is inspired by God. And on a relative basis, the Quran doesn't seem that bad. The New Testament tells us how to interpret the Law, and if the Quran is interpreted similarly, it does not lead one to violence.

I doubt that Arabs would behave much differently without Islam. Did not the European Christians also engage in Crusades? Yet we do not say that they were inspired by Christian teaching. We excuse it by saying that the Crusades were politically motivated. So I think we should be consistent when we discuss Islam.

By the way, have you read anything about Hindu idolatry, Judaism, or Buddhism? Islam is quite a bit closer to Christianity than any of these horrible religions. The three faiths that you have mentioned deny the Lord God and his Son Jesus Christ. Islam acknowledges that Jesus is the Christ, and that is far more than these false religions have done.

Now by this I do not mean to say that all or even most Muslims adhere to the teachings of their own religion. Indeed, I would much prefer the company of a Jew to that of a Muslim. The Jew will intellectually challenge my belief in the True God, and in his Son Jesus Christ, but he won't bomb me for disagreeing with him. The actions of Muslims I do not deny. But you cannot judge the religion of Islam by its followers.

Redwolf said:
The church?
You are Catholic?
All humanity are God's children and He has specific ideas about what He intends to do with them



I'm sorry, but all of humanity are not God's children. Have you not read the word of God in which it says this?
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. (St. John 1:12-13)

It does not presume that we are all children of God. Humans are not children of God by default. This is how the word of God says that we are born:
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience-- among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. (Ephesians 2:1-3)


So then, we were born as children of the devil, sons of disobedience, and destined for wrath.
To answer your other question, yes I am "catholic" in the sense that I am part of the same universal church as you. But if you meant to ask if I am Roman Catholic, then the answer is that I am not.
 
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We are all God's children. What you specify is that not all His children avail themselves of His saving grace.
As for the accident of our birth? See above.
 
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Redwolf: The church? You are Catholic?
All humanity are God's children and He has specific ideas about what He intends to do with them
I Um, what is the difference between a Catholic and a Christian
 
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