Vow of a Nazarite

[The Lone Ranger]

After asking a question to a Pastor of a vow of a Nazarite, it left me wanting. The Pastor said it is impossible to take a vow of a Nazarite unless a Jewish Temple is erected. Yeshua said HE would destroy this Temple, and it would be resurrected in three days. Does that state that HE is the Temple? Isn't it all about HIM, and not a building? Hasn't HE destroyed all of the Temples the Jews (man) built? Can we take a vow of a Nazarite in the absence of a Jewish Temple, or at least a Tabernacle, such as Moses erected during the 40 years in the desert? Why should we think that if the Jews are unable to build a Temple, that we should not be able to take that vow, that is not as easy as we think, nor is it as difficult as we think? Wasn't Jehova throughout time always skeptical about any type of construction housing HIM in any way?

 

[Lulav]

After asking a question to a Pastor of a vow of a Nazarite, it left me wanting. The Pastor said it is impossible to take a vow of a Nazarite unless a Jewish Temple is erected. Yeshua said HE would destroy this Temple, and it would be resurrected in three days. Does that state that HE is the Temple? Isn't it all about HIM, and not a building? Hasn't HE destroyed all of the Temples the Jews (man) built? Can we take a vow of a Nazarite in the absence of a Jewish Temple, or at least a Tabernacle, such as Moses erected during the 40 years in the desert? Why should we think that if the Jews are unable to build a Temple, that we should not be able to take that vow, that is not as easy as we think, nor is it as difficult as we think? Wasn't Jehova throughout time always skeptical about any type of construction housing HIM in any way?

A Nazarite vow can be taken, but it can't be legally broken. So if you are thinking of taking one you must understand it will be permanent.

 

[Hoshiyya]

A Nazarite vow can be taken, but it can't be legally broken. So if you are thinking of taking one you must understand it will be permanent.

I wouldn't do it and don't think it can be done since we have no temple or tabernacle on earth, but if you assume it can be done now, you might as well assume it can be done temporarily, say 40 days. He could make a conditional vow, or better even, just imitate the life of a Nazirite, without any obligation.

Don't see why a man would want to grow his hair long though..

 

[Hoshiyya]

You know it just occurred to me, does a Nazirite vow not preclude partaking in the "Lord's supper" bread and wine rite ?

 

[Lulav]

I wouldn't do it and don't think it can be done since we have no temple or tabernacle on earth, but if you assume it can be done now, you might as well assume it can be done temporarily, say 40 days. He could make a conditional vow, or better even, just imitate the life of a Nazirite, without any obligation.

Don't see why a man would want to grow his hair long though..

As far as I remember you can take the vow anywhere, but you need the temple when leaving it because sacrifices are involved.

 

[Lulav]

You know it just occurred to me, does a Nazirite vow not preclude partaking in the "Lord's supper" bread and wine rite ?

Yes, it would invalidate keeping Passover a we know it, but not biblically, as wine is not part of the keeping of the command.

And no raisin bran cereal for b'fast either.

Edited : My tablet has it's own mind when I type for correcting.

 

[Elihoenai]

Isaiah 29:15-16 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

15 Wo [to] those going deep from Jehovah to hide counsel, And whose works have been in darkness. And they say, `Who is seeing us? And who is knowing us?'

16 Your perversion! as clay is the potter esteemed? That the work saith of its maker, `He hath not made me?' And the framed thing said of its framer, `He did not understand?'




Matthew 16:6 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

6 and Jesus said to them, `Beware, and take heed of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees;'

 

[visionary]

The heart of why you are taking this vow is most important. While the outward trappings of the ritual needs the temple. The heart desire to serve God in this meaningful way does not.

 

[Hoshiyya]

Yes, it would invalidate keeping Passover a we know it, but not biblically a wine a part of the keeping is not a command.

And no raisin bran cereal for b'fast either.

I mean the Lord's supper. The eating of bread and wine in memorial of the Lord.

He said do this in remembrance of me, and took bread and wine.

 

[The Lone Ranger]

A Nazarite vow can be taken, but it can't be legally broken. So if you are thinking of taking one you must understand it will be permanent.

But Yeshua became the Sacrificial Lamb due to corruption in the hierarchies of the Temple/ Levites, and etc... All one would need to do was go through HIM. HE is the end all be all anyway. I think that the Nazaritic vow is something HE honors. Part of the Nazaritic vow was to abstain from alcohol, and grapes which is used to make wine. To end the vow, one would drink wine, eat grapes, touch a dead body, and etc... To be cleansed of it would require sacrifice, but Yeshua was the sacrifice. So many Christians speak of a war room, but setting oneself apart from other's for Yeshua's sake is different. It is totally engulfing yourself in Yeshua.

 

[The Lone Ranger]

I wouldn't do it and don't think it can be done since we have no temple or tabernacle on earth, but if you assume it can be done now, you might as well assume it can be done temporarily, say 40 days. He could make a conditional vow, or better even, just imitate the life of a Nazirite, without any obligation.

Don't see why a man would want to grow his hair long though..

It says no razor shall touch your head. Was it normal to shave your head every month or so in the Land during Moses' time? Doesn't it get hot there? I wouldn't know because I have never been to the Middle East whatsoever. Did they have hair dressers then? I do know Orthodox Jews grow locks on their sideburns, but apparently not all Jews do. Furthermore, I heard that the electric shaver was invented by a Jew in order to keep Torah, so an actual razor would not touch the body in any way during a Shabbat. Then we know Jesus made exceptions to the rules upon HIS 1st coming, by picking and eating grains on Shabbat (like David did), and healing on Shabbat, and etc... Growing one's hair long, being a man, would definitely be a difficult thing in holding a job.

 

[Hoshiyya]

It says no razor shall touch your head. Was it normal to shave your head every month or so in the Land during Moses' time? Doesn't it get hot there? I wouldn't know because I have never been to the Middle East whatsoever. Did they have hair dressers then? I do know Orthodox Jews grow locks on their sideburns, but apparently not all Jews do. Furthermore, I heard that the electric shaver was invented by a Jew in order to keep Torah, so an actual razor would not touch the body in any way during a Shabbat. Then we know Jesus made exceptions to the rules upon HIS 1st coming, by picking and eating grains on Shabbat (like David did), and healing on Shabbat, and etc... Growing one's hair long, being a man, would definitely be a difficult thing in holding a job.

Nazirites were not to cut their hair for the duration of their vow. When the vow is over, the Nazirite must cut his hair, and bring it to the altar to be burned. So, for as long as someone is a Nazirite, their hair will keep growing.

I don't see how the rules of Shabbat etc relate to that.

 

[The Lone Ranger]

Yes, it would invalidate keeping Passover a we know it, but not biblically a wine a part of the keeping is not a command.

And no raisin bran cereal for b'fast either.

The other side is not all Churches offer Communion, however Biblically incorrect they may be. However, if one has already accepted (drank) Communal wine (grape juice) prior to the vow, that person may not have broken Jesus' commandment of Communion.

 

[The Lone Ranger]

Nazirites were not to cut their hair for the duration of their vow. When the vow is over, the Nazirite must cut his hair, and bring it to the altar to be burned. So, for as long as someone is a Nazirite, their hair will keep growing.

I don't see how the rules of Shabbat etc relate to that.

OK. It says grow long. It doesn't specify how long.

 

[Hoshiyya]

OK. It says grow long. It doesn't specify how long.

I don't understand what you mean. It would keep growing for as long as you don't cut it. You can't cut it, until the vow is over.

So if the vow lasts a year, you can't cut your hair for a year. If the vow lasts ten years, you can't cut your hair for ten years. Or at least, that's how I always read it. AIR it says the hair is consecrated. Confer the story of Samson.

 

[The Lone Ranger]

I don't understand what you mean. It would keep growing, as long as you don't cut it. You can't cut it, until the vow is over. So if the vow lasts a year, you can't cut your hair for a year. Or at least, that's how I always read it.

Ok. IIRC there were Mother's who made Nazaritic vows for their unborn children in "Biblical" times, other than present day. Those children had no way to cut their hair, so I wreckon they kept their hair up in a bun. That would be a really big bun after say 20-30 years. My cousin grew her hair long, and after like 5 years it was down to her waist. Or wait, dread locks. Because Samson had locks of hair that were unravled.

 

[Hoshiyya]

Ok. IIRC there were Mother's who made Nazaritic vows for their unborn children in "Biblical" times, other than present day. Those children had no way to cut their hair, so I wreckon they kept their hair up in a bun. That would be a really big bun after say 20-30 years. My cousin grew her hair long, and after like 5 years it was down to her waist. Or wait, dread locks. Because Samson had locks of hair that Delilah unravled.

Some Sadhus (Indian ascetics) have similar practices. Some grow long dreadlocks, others grow long nails. Of course, the Guiness world record holder for longest nails is an Indian Sadhu.

Maybe Nazirites were allowed to cut their hair partially, but as I read it, it says they cannot cut their hair for the length of the time that they are Nazirites. Then they take all the hair and place it on an altar to be burned.

 

[Hoshiyya]

However if it could be done, I'd love to make a temporary Nazirite vow, I think.

 

[Lulav]

The heart of why you are taking this vow is most important. While the outward trappings of the ritual needs the temple. The heart desire to serve God in this meaningful way does not.

I understand your focus on the heart of the matter Vis, but I wouldn't call the commandments of the L-Rd 'outward trappings'. They have meaning and purpose.

 

[Lulav]

As far as I remember you can take the vow anywhere, but you need the temple when leaving it because sacrifices are involved.

I was wrong, now that I've had a chance to look it up. The temple is necessary going in and out

Here are the basics

• The Nazir vow can be taken by man or woman (which in and of itself is extraordinary)
• The abstention is from any parts of the grape, wine, raisins, seeds, vinegar etc this is in eating and drinking
  
• Also must abstain from any alcoholic drink
• No razor to touch head- hair to be allowed to grow long ( no limit just grow, no cutting, remember Samson)
• Must not come near any dead body, which includes close relatives (which is like a Cohen)

Now up to this point it looks as if you can make the vow without the temple

BUT

This may all be voided if someone dies near you. You would then be defiled and all the days you were consecrated are invalidated.
Then you must shave your head and make a sacrifice for being defiled. This involves two turtledoves brought to the priest on the eighth day.

And the priest shall prepare one for a sin-offering, and the other for a burnt-offering, and make atonement for him, for that he sinned by reason of the dead; and he shall hallow his head that same day. And he shall consecrate unto the LORD the days of his Naziriteship, and shall bring a he-lamb of the first year for a guilt-offering; but the former days shall be void, because his consecration was defiled.

When the days are over (which are proclaimed when taking the vow) these are the offerings made

And this is the law of the Nazirite, when the days of his consecration are fulfilled: he shall bring it unto the door of the tent of meeting; and he shall present his offering unto the LORD, one he-lamb of the first year without blemish for a burnt-offering, and one ewe-lamb of the first year without blemish for a sin-offering, and one ram without blemish for peace-offerings, and a basket of unleavened bread, cakes of fine flour mingled with oil, and unleavened wafers spread with oil, and their meal-offering, and their drink-offerings.

And the priest shall bring them before the LORD, and shall offer his sin-offering, and his burnt-offering.And he shall offer the ram for a sacrifice of peace-offerings unto the LORD, with the basket of unleavened bread; the priest shall offer also the meal-offering thereof, and the drink-offering thereof.


And the Nazirite shall shave his consecrated head at the door of the tent of meeting, And the priest shall take the shoulder of the ram when it is sodden, and one unleavened cake out of the basket, and one unleavened wafer, and shall put them upon the hands of the Nazirite, after he hath shaven his consecrated head,and shall take the hair of his consecrated head, and put it on the fire which is under the sacrifice of peace-offerings.
And the priest shall wave them for a wave-offering before the LORD; this is holy for the priest, together with the breast of waving and the thigh of heaving; and after that the Nazirite may drink wine. This is the law of the Nazirite who voweth, and of his offering unto the LORD for his Naziriteship, beside that for which his means suffice; according to his vow which he voweth, so he must do after the law of his Naziriteship.

So it seems it can be taken on without the temple but if defiled the temple is needed to be able to consecrate oneself again to the vow and also to end it. This means to end it you must be at the temple and you must shave your head at the door to the temple.