voting rights

[katherinethegreat]

in my saturday morning paper this weekend and came across this article that said that a bishop in Colorado Springs made a comment on how priests should not give communion to those who believe in gay marriages, abortion, or euthanasia, and other liberal ideas..
i do not agree, for the chruch has no right to tell us what to believe and can't alienate, for chruch and state are seperate in this country..what do the rest of you think?

 

[Schism]

who is (or isn't) voting?

 

[msjones21]

Yeah, a similar thread was posted on the News & Current Events board. It stirred up alot of controversy. Of course the opponents of gay marriages and abortion (even those who are not Catholic) agree with this measure. It seems to me like the church is meddling in the personal political affairs of others. In my humble opinion, it's not anyone's business who you vote for.

 

[Mustaphile]

How would they know?

 

[trunks2k]

How would they know?

Sorry for any accidental misinformation, while I attened a catholic highschool and started off being raised as catholic, the only real catholic belief instruction I recieved was my freshman year in highschool so I may be a bit rusty on my Catholic dogma.

Well for strict Catholics, God would know. And the church is an intermediate between god and you, whatever the church says is what God says. In order to go to heaven you have to confess your sins. So if the church says you have to confess for voting for a candidate that supports liberal ideals, then a strong catholic believes that God considers voting for such a candidate a sin that needs to be confessed.

 

[chalice_thunder]

The problem is:
Communion is not the church's to withhold. This gift is from God - at whose table ALL are welcome. Somewhere along the early road the church went terribly astray from the meaning of sacrament.

 

[trunks2k]

The problem is:
Communion is not the church's to withhold. This gift is from God - at whose table ALL are welcome. Somewhere along the early road the church went terribly astray from the meaning of sacrament.

But if your religion's dogma states that the church is essentially the voice of god, then if the church witholds communion then that is what god wants.

 

[Arikay]

Sounds to me like the church is trying to bully people into voting the way they want. So much for the whole "Hate the sin, Love the sinner" idea. I guess now its "hate the sin, punish the sinner, punish anyone who doesn't help punish the sinner."

Is it just me or does the church often let things get in the way of their main goal? They are supposed to be bringing people to jesus and getting them to heaven, but they often get side tracked pushing their opinion of how people should run their lives.

 

[trunks2k]

Sounds to me like the church is trying to bully people into voting the way they want.

This is what I am worried about myself. I can understand the church's position. However, it opens up a very grey area. At what point would it be considered that they are acting in such a way that is violation of their tax exempt status?

 

[jingwei]

Blasphemy.
Yes, gay should be allowed in the church. Just like murderers, adulterers, drug abusers, harlots. We must give all kinds of people a chance to be saved and to change. But theyir conduct is never to be tolerated in the church.

 

[chalice_thunder]

But if your religion's dogma states that the church is essentially the voice of god, then if the church witholds communion then that is what god wants.

Twisted, ain't it?

 

[BarbB]

The problem is:
Communion is not the church's to withhold. This gift is from God - at whose table ALL are welcome. Somewhere along the early road the church went terribly astray from the meaning of sacrament.

Not quite true, chalice! Your own Episcopal church requires baptism to partake of the Eucharist. Other churches have their own requirements. And they are free to do so.

 

[transientlife]

in my saturday morning paper this weekend and came across this article that said that a bishop in Colorado Springs made a comment on how priests should not give communion to those who believe in gay marriages, abortion, or euthanasia, and other liberal ideas..
i do not agree, for the chruch has no right to tell us what to believe and can't alienate, for chruch and state are seperate in this country..what do the rest of you think?

I agree kat, but also how would they know how you felt on those issues? Better not to discuss politics in church, I think. IMO, doesn't seem very Christian to deny someone communion on issues such as that, seems almost a way to get a person to change their opinions- deny communion, and oh no! But that's just my opinion, and it's been a few years since I've had communion.

 

[katherinethegreat]

jingwei are you saying that since i believe all those things i sahould not be allowed to recieve the body of my lord? you aren't very tolerant for being 14...thats sad!