voting democratic... not christian?

[Moses Medina]

Hello everyone. This isnt a thread to talk about which is right or wrong nor to get in a political debate.

I have an old friend who I had a discussion with on why he was wrong to say that "you cant be a christian if you voted for obama." Im not democratic, and of course I agree that there is much that went against what can be found in scripture. I agreed with that... but to say that if you voted for him you werent christian I strongly felt was wrong. Can I get insight from the more mature in faith?

 

[LutheranChick]

We need to be careful not to confuse law and gospel. The only way to end a sentence of "You can't be a Christian if..." is with - 'if you don't believe that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior'. That is the only requirement to be a Christian, and, of course, even that faith is a free gift- it is not from anything we do.

So you are correct in thinking that it is wrong for a person to say, "You can't be a Christian and vote Democratic." There are plenty of Christians who voted for Obama. As to how misguided they are, well there are probably 100 threads addressing that subject!

 

[alexnbethmom]

We need to be careful not to confuse law and gospel. The only way to end a sentence of "You can't be a Christian if..." is with - 'if you don't believe that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior'. That is the only requirement to be a Christian, and, of course, even that faith is a free gift- it is not from anything we do.

So you are correct in thinking that it is wrong for a person to say, "You can't be a Christian and vote Democratic." There are plenty of Christians who voted for Obama. As to how misguided they are, well there are probably 100 threads addressing that subject!

yep - that's pretty much exactly it, right there in a nutshell.....don't think i could have said it any better.....

 

[filosofer]

In addition to the good statements above, we also understand two kingdoms (kingdom of the left: government/state and kingdom of the right: Church). If we confuse either or try to operate in one kingdom using the other kingdom’s power, etc, then we will make a mess of this every time.

 

[Lupinus]

We need to be careful not to confuse law and gospel. The only way to end a sentence of "You can't be a Christian if..." is with - 'if you don't believe that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior'. That is the only requirement to be a Christian, and, of course, even that faith is a free gift- it is not from anything we do.

So you are correct in thinking that it is wrong for a person to say, "You can't be a Christian and vote Democratic." There are plenty of Christians who voted for Obama. As to how misguided they are, well there are probably 100 threads addressing that subject!

Agreed!

I might feel a strong urge to explain to them why his positions don't jive, but voting for Obama certainly doesn't make one not a Christian.

 

[true2theword]

Hello everyone. This isnt a thread to talk about which is right or wrong nor to get in a political debate.

I have an old friend who I had a discussion with on why he was wrong to say that "you cant be a christian if you voted for obama." Im not democratic, and of course I agree that there is much that went against what can be found in scripture. I agreed with that... but to say that if you voted for him you werent christian I strongly felt was wrong. Can I get insight from the more mature in faith?

actually a Christian shouldnt vote for either party

one kills babies in the womb the other kills them where they live in a foriegn land

neither party follows the way of Jesus

 

[MNKeith]

Before the election my pastor answered a similar question during bible study with the question, "Is it a sin to vote for a sinner?"

Food for thought

 

[Tangible]

That statement is a good example of the No True Scotsman logical fallacy.

 

[Sword of the Lord]

Voting for Obama doesn't make a person "not Christian," but it is wrong to vote to be led by a Muslim that's all for murdering babies.

 

[QuiltAngel]

Before the election my pastor answered a similar question during bible study with the question, "Is it a sin to vote for a sinner?"

Food for thought

It is. We are all sinners and whoever we vote for is also a sinner.

 

[Aibrean]

Following this up with, just because you didn't vote for Obama doesn't mean you voted for Obama.

 

[Moses Medina]

Following this up with, just because you didn't vote for Obama doesn't mean you voted for Obama.

Interesting. What if your from a state that you know exactly what it would vote for... like texas. ;-)

(Btw I am originally from texas)

 

[DaRev]

Following this up with, just because you didn't vote for Obama doesn't mean you voted for Obama.

 

[Aibrean]

I'll quote you...

"A vote for a "third party" candidate equals a vote for Obama."

 

[DaRev]

I'll quote you...

"A vote for a "third party" candidate equals a vote for Obama."

Ah, I got it. I was confused by the way you worded it.

But, as it turned out, it was a vote "for" Obama because the difference could have defeated him. But... what's done is done. I just pray we survive it.

 

[twin.spin]

Hello everyone. This isnt a thread to talk about which is right or wrong nor to get in a political debate.

I have an old friend who I had a discussion with on why he was wrong to say that "you cant be a christian if you voted for obama." Im not democratic, and of course I agree that there is much that went against what can be found in scripture. I agreed with that... but to say that if you voted for him you werent christian I strongly felt was wrong. Can I get insight from the more mature in faith?

Depends on the age you're talking about when you say "mature in faith"

I had the pleasure once of talking to a German foreign exchange student who stated that if the Christian community would have not remained silent, remained proactive in the political world, not voted their wallets ....... Hitler would not have been elected.

But my father fought in WWII and there were many Christians (even Lutherans) that fought for Germany.
Before he died, he recognized that what was going on here was very similar to what was occurring in Germany in the 30's. Thankfully he hasn't to deal with the current events.

No ... that doesn't mean we hear sermons about politics but the prayers of Christians in Germany of the 30's had their prayer answered.

The US Christian should expect nothing less.

 

[Aibrean]

Ah, I got it. I was confused by the way you worded it.

But, as it turned out, it was a vote "for" Obama because the difference could have defeated him. But... what's done is done. I just pray we survive it.

Well, as a Christian I couldn't vote for someone who had a record of being pro-choice. Romney had that record. With all of the voter fraud, I don't think any difference would have defeated him.

 

[DaRev]

Well, as a Christian I couldn't vote for someone who had a record of being pro-choice. Romney had that record.

But his party is not (which the party that holds majority in the House, not some third party), and he certainly had the best chance of putting an end to it rather than the one who's in now. Plus, there's also a plethora of other issues that we're gonna suffer with.

With all of the voter fraud, I don't think any difference would have defeated him.

Maybe not.

 

[BRERDO]

Political involvement lends to greed, compromise of ones morals and values, speaking out against a better good just because a group of people you are labeled with say you have to, doing and saying anything to try and get your self re-elected or elected... To me, that is politics, no matter what letter you have after your name in parentheses.

When I vote, I do not vote for a party. I vote for a candidate. Perhaps that is the problem with America. We are wrapped up in the beliefs of a group of people that do not have those same beliefs but the idea of the party is supposedly backing those beliefs so that they can get that group of people to back them.

As far as Christianity in a political party or official. I don't think it matters what their beliefs are. Their job is to take the people in their district, understand their collective concerns and direction they want to take their district and try to lobby for that change in the Senata for law making and the House for law passing.

I think it is sad that we have people appointed to the Supreme Court just because of their stances on personal beliefs or whether or not they are against freedom or for making your own choice. Their judgement of existing law should trump anything they believe in on a personal level, whether any official is Catholic, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or Wiccan. When it comes down to whether or not paving a highway in your district is a feasible thing, I don't care if you wear a turban and follow Sikhism.

Just my opinion, anyway.

 

[bach90]

actually a Christian shouldnt vote for either party

one kills babies in the womb the other kills them where they live in a foriegn land

neither party follows the way of Jesus

Blatant trolling here. This is the Lutheran forum and we teach the doctrine of the Two Kingdoms. Please post the Anabaptist talking points in their forum.