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This is a club for those who have visions and those that understand visions , to express them in one place so they might be discussed as One together ... and better understood ,what they signify...


the Truth in vision of the ages ?


I had a vision of the night and of the day
One FIRST was black wiith white heart
with arms wrapped around
one white with black heart
that FOLLOWED after...
Can anyone here tell me the meaning of this vision of the world
for it was strong indeed ?
 

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Though I have no idea about the colour changing other then perhaps some kind of shift? But of what to what or why I would have no idea since it was not my vision. It could be in representation to something closer to you that only you can see in the existence directly around you. Though if you felt it was on a much larger scale then just what is around you, seeking the meaning of what the symbolism of the images mean to you separately might help lead to the larger combination of the whole. If it was not simply an object of some kind and purely a symbolic image, the images took those forms probably because of the meanings they have to you and the feelings received and/or provoked from them.
Though I'm curious, when you say a heart with arms wrapped around? Did it look anything like a Claddagh? If it was something like a Claddagh, (two arms coming to a circle with hands holding a heart often with a very tiny crown on the top of the heart), I do know those represent friendship, love and loyalty. I've heard them referred to as "faith rings".
 
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This is a club for those who have visions and those that understand visions , to express them in one place so they might be discussed as One together ... and better understood ,what they signify...


the Truth in vision of the ages ?

I had a vision of the night and of the day
One FIRST was black wiith white heart
with arms wrapped around
one white with black heart
that FOLLOWED after...
Can anyone here tell me the meaning of this vision of the world
for it was strong indeed ?

In Spiritual Warefare....

Night.. Those who live in Darkness, and Day... those who Live in the Day.

With two fold Satan a Angel of Light turned into darkness against God in rebellion White heart turned to Dark heart... Spiritually speaking. Yet was ever in the arms of the Most High God, was cast down and sin came into this world turning the day into night.

Man Heart became night by nature of sin... With Gods arm still wrapped around the soul in Grace and Mercy.

Yet the black heart follows by the sin in that heart.

But then again came the "LIGHT" into the world to make manifest the darkness where the Light did not shine.

That Light is Jesus Christ the Son of God, to bring that again that Light once again into a world of Darkness. And Now "All" who call upon that name can be saved out of that darkness!

But we are not ignorant of the that the time is now short. For Satan has decieved and stolen the time for those children of darkness, making them to believe that there is time to repent and be saved. The fleshly man is but a vapor in the Time of God. There is no timem but now if the Spirit of God called one to the Light... The dark heart must come to the Light... and Make Pure the Heart White as snow or forever be cast into darkness.

The Day is at hand.... for the Night is about to come upon all flesh! Therefore repent while it is still Day, for the Son of Perdition is about to be revealed.


To the Son of God, the redeemer of those called to repentance and Grace of God the Father, be Glorified both now and Forever Amen! :prayer:
 
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The scripture shows that few will repent of unlovingness [sinning against Jesus' and God's law of love to all] in THIS life [Matt 7:14] but that many will be saved in the next life [Rev 7:9-10] ... It is God who teaches the few under the unconditional new covenant with both Houses of Israel [Jer 31:31-34] , there is really no basis for sinners calling for repentance of other sinners ...
 
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Yea rather, it is written thou hath left thy first Love... Therefore repent lest thy candlestick be removed out of it's place.

.... 4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. 6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate. 7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

There is no second chance after the death of the flesh, the earthly man. For it is appointed once for man to die... After this the judgment!

All that are called and chosen have no power to forgive "sin" Only the Son of the Most High " we are saved by His Grace through "Faith" in Jesus Christ the Lord and by no other name under Heaven.


Then it is well said by Christ Jesus, Let the Dead bury the Dead!


But, As it is written, Jacob have I loved, Esau have I hated. So therefore by the Seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob comes the chosen few from the house of Israel, not the house of Esau.



To the Most High, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob be Glory both now and forever through Jesus Christ the Lord, Amen!

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Yea rather, it is written thou hath left thy first Love... Therefore repent lest thy candlestick be removed out of it's place.

Many 'would-be' saints, even of Israel's two Houses, turn to sin for sake of less trouble for a while in life in this earth, forgetting that the very foundation of acceptance by Jesus is the departure from all unlovingness to anyone :-

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

.... 4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. 6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate. 7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Thus the vessels bound for dishonour [Romans 9:21- ] will not overcome from sinning continually ,week in, week out, till death gives the wages [and they are paid in full by death] :-

Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

The first judgment is thus that of the saints of this earth and FEW find that narrow strait way [Mat 7:14] FEW then are taken by Jesus at his return because FEW have ceased from sinning ... Jesus' own words which he says he will say at his return :-

Luke 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

[ Men who are sinners teach otherwise in the countless divided traditions and churches of men, but what else would one expect from those who pretend authority with Christ who have not given up sin ? ... dressing up as an OT priest and living in a church doesn't really carry much weight with God if one is still disobeying Him by sinning continually... most are vessels MADE for dishonour, but do not even know it , they are dead as they stand , their lives grey through living the deceit of those divided from regarding the whole of God's word as One Truth]

Jesus has said so NOT to exclude ANYONE, but the scripture explains that teh firstfruits are exactly that, just firstfruits because the kingdom of God come on earth does not require more than a FEW as kings and priests ... clearly those God chose from the beginning to be His royal priesthood eventually must be first because priests and kings are needed at the beginning , before the salvation of the masses :-

Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

Since FEW find the way of sainthood before Jesus' return and are taken by him , then these countless many are saved after that in the righteous kingdom come upon the earth , so after the wrath of God destroys the earth , after the resurrection of unjust , during or after the millenium of righteousness , before their righteousness is judged by their acts in the kingdom [note that they were freed of their prior sins by death] :-

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

thus the few are judged under grace of their new covenant [Heb 8:8-13 - note who it is with] , but the many are judged later by their works after death and resurrection in the kingdom of God on earth , with the FEW ministering and ruling them by God's law of love...

Both Jesus and Peter revealed that this kingdom is available to the masses only in the new earth, not in this world [where the law of love resides only in the heart, and is manifest in the perfect sacrifice of Jesus and the few saints who follow him by ceasing to disobey the Law fo God, the Law of love, ceasing from all sin]

The kingdom for the masses is manifest as a way of life only in the new earth, not this world :-

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world:

The royal priesthood rules and ministers on earth to the masses living righteously, but it is the new earth, not this one ... and they are judged fairly on their works of love in the new earth kingdom come , not unfairly on being made vessels of dishonour for God's purpose in this earth.

There is no second chance after the death of the flesh, the earthly man. For it is appointed once for man to die... After this the judgment!

The judgment of sinners is indeed after death , and indeed after the resurrection of them, the unjust ... but they are freed of sin by death, wages of sin are paid by death ... and their resurrection is to the then-prepared kingdom of god where the many live righteously and are saved at judgment for their works there in the new earth...

All that are called and chosen have no power to forgive "sin" Only the Son of the Most High " we are saved by His Grace through "Faith" in Jesus Christ the Lord and by no other name under Heaven.

Those FEW who go by the strait way of giving up sin now, rather than after death, are indeed forgiven by Grace of the new covenant , because God decreed that they would be from the beginning [Exodus 19:6] and Jesus nominates them by tribe of Israel , the 144,000 of Rev 7:3-8, sealed to know all truth [John 16:13] and depart from iniquity in this life , unlike the many

Thus the FEW know who they are, they know all truth of God, and their future and they have ceased from all sin ... truly few can do this only 144,000 from over 12,000,000,000 that ever lived - because God does not require more than a few as kings and priests ,and they must be taken first and in accordance with God's promise to Israel [now forgiven for breaking the old covenant and under the unconditional new covenant - Heb 8:8-13]

Then it is well said by Christ Jesus, Let the Dead bury the Dead!

The saints do not worry about the countless billions who have died and will die sinners because there is a second resurrection of the unjust , freed from sin, and Jesus has promised that not only the few are saved [ Matt 7:14, Rev 7:3-8], but that the few are saved with the reason to be the priests and rulers of the many saved later [Rev 7:9-10]

Most religion ignores that FEW are saved at Jesus' return , but MANY are eventually saved, but this is what is written ...

But, As it is written, Jacob have I loved, Esau have I hated. So therefore by the Seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob comes the chosen few from the house of Israel, not the house of Esau.

Again, it is true, God only takes a few of each generation as His from within the descendants of Adam ... the line continues down the ages, but MOST are vessels fitted for destruction in death, being freed from sin that way, few are saved by Grace in this world , as the new covenant states, they are all of the House of Judah and the House of Israel [Jer 31:31-34, Heb 8:8-13] ... ALL Isreal will be saved, but only 144,000 named by Jesus by tribe of Israel will be first -Rev 7:3-8 , sealed by baptism of the spirit to know all truth of God and thus to be able to defeat Satan's wiles and cease from sin in this life
To the Most High, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob be Glory both now and forever through Jesus Christ the Lord, Amen!
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Indeed so, but you did not take in the implications of the whole scripture yet, instead believing in sinners' tales which disagree with some of the word of God , CHECK out EVERY word and reprove the sinners who you follow instead :-

Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

We might note that so few as 144,000 saints in all time, scattered worldwide by God [as both Houses were , at different times] means not only that the saints are now alone , but that likely there are just a couple of thousand alive at this time... it rather confirms the apostasy of religion that Jesus said must come at this time , but one can tel that also simply by the division of religion [that it simply cannot be the One truth of God ]... the scripture not only exposes the deciepts of religious dogma, but prophesies that they must come ...
 
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We might note that so few as 144,000 saints in all time, scattered worldwide by God [as both Houses were , at different times] means not only that the saints are now alone , but that likely there are just a couple of thousand alive at this time... it rather confirms the apostasy of religion that Jesus said must come at this time , but one can tel that also simply by the division of religion [that it simply cannot be the One truth of God ]... the scripture not only exposes the deciepts of religious dogma, but prophesies that they must come ...
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Yea,but it fails to acknowledge that the Great Deceiver has deceived many since the Son of God has ascended to the Throne and now sits beside the Father! But the Remnant has been nourished in the Wilderness away from the face of the Dragon.

For the time has come to bring forth the Everlasting Gospel, that of the original Foundation, the Cornerstone that the builders rejected; Untouched by the doctrines and rudiments of men’s minds, who work to please itching ears, but that which has been nourished by the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ the Gift from God. First by Water, then by Blood, and now by the Spirit and the gates of Hell have not prevailed, nor shall it ever prevail!

In Spirit and Truth shall the Double Edged Sword, which is the "Word of the Living God and His Christ" come to Prevail against the Wicked One, the deceiver and destroyer of the world and all who follow his ways.


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We might note that so few as 144,000 saints in all time, scattered worldwide by God [as both Houses were , at different times] means not only that the saints are now alone , but that likely there are just a couple of thousand alive at this time... it rather confirms the apostasy of religion that Jesus said must come at this time , but one can tel that also simply by the division of religion [that it simply cannot be the One truth of God ]... the scripture not only exposes the deciepts of religious dogma, but prophesies that they must come ...
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Yea,but it fails to acknowledge that the Great Deceiver has deceived many since the Son of God has ascended to the Throne and now sits beside the Father! But the Remnant has been nourished in the Wilderness away from the face of the Dragon.

My old friend, it doesn't do any such thing , please will you tell me how you reach such a conclusion?

The remnant is being 'nourished' with all truth given them by the Holy spirit as promised by Jesus [John 16:13] , the bread of life, God's truth about love being the only way back to the spirit , love made possible in the afce of Satan by the power of God's truth over one's heart of desire.

For the time has come to bring forth the Everlasting Gospel, that of the original Foundation, the Cornerstone that the builders rejected; Untouched by the doctrines and rudiments of men’s minds, who work to please itching ears, but that which has been nourished by the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ the Gift from God. First by Water, then by Blood, and now by the Spirit and the gates of Hell have not prevailed, nor shall it ever prevail!

The words, 'sheol' in Hebrew, 'hades' in Greek, are highly misrepresented by the word 'hell' since they mean only that the dead are 'unseen' [before they are resurrected to life ... thus ,as Jesus alluded to, death is simply like a 'sleep' [albeit that many clearly will 'sleep' in death unseen for millenia]

Death and 'hell' has no sting in reality, only in many folks' minds who have followed paganised religious tradition, picked up mistakes from divided tradition of men that simply cannot most be true [because it is divided it cannot be One truth of God]

1 Corinthians 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

Sin is overcome by grace of the new covenant [Heb 8:8-12] for the few
, the 144,000, who follow the narrow strait way of Jesus to become the rulers and priests in the kingdom of God in the new earth ... but for everyone else, the sinners of this world , sin's wages are paid by death , death is freedom from one's sin , just as effective as the new covenant, but with different implications for when one is saved :-

Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Thus we find that death and hell give up all the dead, no-one is left behind 'in hell', everyone is resurrected back to life :-

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Note that they are judged by their WORKS after resurrection , freed from sin by death to live righteously in the new earth kingdom of God ministered to by the few saints of this life who are now their kings under the king of kings, Jesus

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Why not try understanding from scripture what Peter is saying here? Those royal priests have no-one to rule over and minister to except the resurrected sinners of this earth, yet these all now live righteously and are then judged by their works [not pre-judged by their sin in this life that they were freed from in death]

In Spirit and Truth shall the Double Edged Sword, which is the "Word of the Living God and His Christ" come to Prevail against the Wicked One, the deceiver and destroyer of the world and all who follow his ways.
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The double-edged 'sword' ,that cuts both ways, is simply the truth of God that perfected love is the ONLY way back to Him ... indeed it is the ONLY thing that prevails against Satan's wily deceit of almost all mankind [including almost all religion] in this world

Christ is the implement of God in thrusting the truth against Satan's lies and half-truths even after Satan has gotten the whole world to believe that he is the saviour, the Christ, as the antichrist [it just means 'one in place of Christ']

In the end that sword defeats Satan because all men desert him in the new earth , flocking to New Jerusalem to live righteous [loving] lives with God come down to be with men [because men are living as saints, perfect as Jesus , one with God , and so the many are saved later -Rev 7:9-10]

that leaves Satan alone , looked narrowly upon by all [Ezek 14;16] after God casts him manifest into the earth as a man [Ezek 14, Ezek 28] , committed to humiliation of mortal death [just like Jesus died a mortal death, but satan for the very different trial as his wages of sin]

Satan thus is shown by God that he is no god , yet Satan belongs to God just as much as all sinners do :-

... the deceived and the deceiver are His.
[Job 12:15-17]

Satan was created [Ezekiel 28:15] and ALL craetion will bow to and acknowledge Jesus as ruler , confess him :-

Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by Myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

The truth of gdo does not go out and return empty, Jesus leaves the 99 already saved to go back for the very last lost sheep , prodigal son of God, ... God simply would not be God if His Law of love failed anyone in the end ...

The will of all men can and will be changed, as shown by the unconditional nature of the new covenant, God simply makes Israel His people despite their rebellion, sin against His old covenant with them ... the will is ultimately subject to being convinced of the Truth of God about love being the only way of 'eternal' [timeless] life of the spirit [Jer 31:31-34]

God cannot fail in His written will to redeem all creation :

Isaiah 59:1 Behold, the LORD’S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:

The will of Satan himself is no match in the end, once God has shown him that no-one any longer follows the way of sin and deceits , that he has no more support as the god of men , that he is not one in place of christ because there is no other Christ than Jesus.
 
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One may speaks loud from the "watch tower". But many care not to hear or listen...

Maybe the words that come forth are not true to fact?

May I ask you, what will happen to those who are here during the last days in Christ Jesus, in White robes ready for the Groom, when the new world is about to come?

Example,

Will they be raptured before the destruction of heavan and earth that shall pass away?

And if one is not of counted in the 144,000 are they saved?

Will they enter the Kingdom of God by belief only or are they required to do certain works?
 
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One may speaks loud from the "watch tower". But many care not to hear or listen...

Is it not written that the Lord alone gives ears to hear to whom He will [not by merit but to show His power in decreeing who will be His priests and kings in His kingdom despite their fathers' rebellion against their old covenant-Exodus 19:6, Jer 31:31-34]

Maybe the words that come forth are not true to fact?

One may or may not be able to 'hear' truly the words of scripture, it says itself many will be deluded about what it says ... we all have our given role and we know few will perfect their love and be taken [translated] from this life [Matt 7:14] by grace of this new covenant with those whose fathers broke the old one [Jer 31:31-34], but many will be saved later [Rev 7:9-10] of all nations by the ministry of the few required at first as kings and priests in the earth :-

Jeremiah 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

The interesting thing is that this kingdom is NOT on THIS earth according to Jesus :-

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world:

the kingdom is manifest on earth, but not this earth ... there is only one other earth in scripture and it is a righteous place [where God's Law of love is obeyed] :-

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your [children of Israel's] seed and your name remain.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Of course the scripture explains why so few will take in what it says , many more will not even believe scripture is true anyway ... it not only matters none, it is required by God that few find the way to being priests and kings in His kingdom, He requires only 144,000 , it is enough to save the whole craetion once the kingdom is established on earth for salvation of the many as Jesus promises [Rev 7:9-10]

May I ask you, what will happen to those who are here during the last days in Christ Jesus, in White robes ready for the Groom, when the new world is about to come?

Surely Paul explains this ? You do not need to ask me :-

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air [or 'in the spirit', 'pneuma' in Greek means either]: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Jesus never died a second death after his resurrection, thus we know that he was translated to spirit [just as Enoch was taken by translation before seeing death] :-

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Thus the saints are translated in order to be "with Jesus" , which explains perhaps why Jesus troubled to show his disciples that those translated can manifest again on earth [without resurrection to becoming mortal again, without any restriction on leaving again] during the so-called 'transfiguration' :

Mark 9:2 2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.
3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.
4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.
5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

Mark 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

Will they be raptured before the destruction of heavan and earth that shall pass away?

Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
...
Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Examination of the trial [like 'fire' 1 Peter 1:7 ] before the return of Christ leads to the sealing of the few and so indicates and proves that it is not the same as the wrath of God, [but rather the empty unjust wrath of the world against the saints for refusing to believe in the one in place of christ ['antichristos'] [Rev 13:3- ]

We have then the wrath of Satan against the saints before the return of Jesus , and the wrath of the Lamb , wrath of God, after Jesus' return , not clearly distinguished in many minds :-

Rev 12:12 ¶ Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Satan persecutes Israel who brought forth the son of God , Jesus,... but Satan dies at the return of Jesus and is locked away in death until the second resurrection, so clearly the wrath of God is completely separate and to avoid hurting the saints, is after the return of Jesus and their resurrection and translation.

And if one is not of counted in the 144,000 are they saved?

Has Jesus not said that the many will be saved, but after the few who find the narrow way of saints [Matt 7:14] in this life [so most are not saved at his return]- Rev 7:3-10 ? ... hence the gnashing of teeth by over a billion sinners who think of themselves as christian, but Jesus said he will take no-one who is still a sinner :-

Matthew 7:23 And then [at his return] will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Will they enter the Kingdom of God by belief only or are they required to do certain works?

The new covenant of grace [on the few] states that it is only with those whose fathers' [ancestors] broke the old covenant - Heb 8:8-12 ... God is not kidding when He says with whom He makes a covenant , yet neither most modern Christians nor most Jews seem to accept what He says about the new covenant [Jer 31:31-34] ... it is very explicit and contradicts what most Jews and most Christians believe... only God could swing that over on so many yet have it written so clearly , they just cannot see what is written because they do not want to believe that it contradicts what they believe ... amazing really, but necessary...

Thus a few are redeemed first to be the priests and kings [required first rather obviously] in God's kingdom... they are saved only because God had to name someone for sake of prophesying from the beginning [to show His power, not because there is anything special about rebellious stiff-necked Israel ]... they Got named, so God takes them unconditionally, a remnant of Israel [just 144,000, not the whole of Israel as yet], by unmerited forgiveness [grace] of a new covenant with thse whose fathers broke his old covenant... they will then serve the many later when the 'unjust', the sinners are resurrected... but the unjust of this earth do not need a covenant at all, they are all freed from sin by death, the wages of sin is death , paid in full by death :-

Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Note then that the many are saved by their works after death - according to Jesus , after they are freed from sin by death and resurrected to live righteously in the new earth kingdom of God :-

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Note that contrary to much Christianity, Jesus says that EVERYONE is resurrected from death out of 'hell' [it means the state of being 'unseen' ... no-one can see anyone who is dead, that is all!]

all are freed by the wages of sin at death from their sin in this life , it is their works after resurrection in the righteous new earth which determine their judgment then, not their sin in this life as taught by much religion.

The misunderstanding about 'works' and 'faith' is thus easily cleared up by scripture if one reads and troubles to take in it all before dividing what it means ... faith [in love] is GIVEN by God alone to the few in this life for His purpose in bringing those He said will be priests and kings in His kingdom to translation first :-

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

if their faith did not bring forth works of love then it would be in vain, empty... so the saints have works as well ,but their redemption does not depend on the works , it is guaranteed under their new covenant with God... they are not judged by works but by grace, but they have works anyway.

For the many , almost all folks, who die sinners , not saints, all will be resurrected and judged by works in the righteous new earth ,as to whether or not they deserve a second death as wages of sin in the new earth and enter the final trial ['fire'] of God's redemption of His beloved creation.
 
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There are similarities and differences ... The Claddagh is based upon symbolising love, friendship and loyalty , without symbolising the distortion of love by loyalty [for love is not conditional, not selective]

The 'Yin-Yang' symbol is rther a representation of the love of God which sees the purpose of both light and darkness to establish that love is not just a way, but that there ius no other way to immortality ...

In that sense then what many think of as love is only a metaphor for what men will one day all worship as one truth about love, that leads through perfection to knowing what we are [as distinct from all that we thought we are]
 
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