• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

vinsight4u...Could you please explain your Saddam/Antichrist Series

Status
Not open for further replies.

JaimeMan

Regular Member
Dec 6, 2004
161
7
Tampa-Clearwater
Visit site
✟327.00
Faith
Messianic
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Libertarian
vinsight4u...Could you please explain your Saddam/Antichrist Series of beliefs in an organized form...I am curious about the whole of your ideas but I can't seem to piece them together because they are scattered all over the place. I would really appreciate a full intact list of details so I can understand it. Thank you soo much!!!:thumbsup:
Jaime
 

FreeinChrist

CF Advisory team
Christian Forums Staff
Site Advisor
Site Supporter
Jul 2, 2003
152,835
19,972
USA
✟2,099,635.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Democrat
vinsight4u said:
Hi Jaime!

Do you mean how I believe Saddam plays his role before the antichrist will? I don't see Saddam as the ac person. I have never thought that. I see him as the rider of the third seal horse and the 4th seal will be the real Nebuchadnezzar II...the one that ruled Babylon long ago.

See how Rev. 17 speaks of how John saw seven kings....five are fallen?

is then told .......beast was
I think I will copy this part of your post before you rapture it, Valerie.


Seems God had Nebuchadnezzer (NEb. for short) write a short passage in the Holy Bible. some highlights:

Dan 4:1 Nebuchadnezzar the king to all the peoples, nations, and {men of every} language that live in all the earth: "May your peace abound!
Dan 4:2 "It has seemed good to me to declare the signs and wonders which the Most High God has done for me.
Dan 4:3 "How great are His signs And how mighty are His wonders! His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom And His dominion is from generation to generation.
Dan 4:4 "I, Nebuchadnezzar, was at ease in my house and flourishing in my palace.

Dan 4:5 "I saw a dream and it made me fearful; and {these} fantasies {as I lay} on my bed and the visions in my mind kept alarming me.




Dan 4:18 'This is the dream {which} I, King Nebuchadnezzar, have seen. Now you, Belteshazzar, tell {me} its interpretation, inasmuch as none of the wise men of my kingdom is able to make known to me the interpretation; but you are able, for a spirit of the holy gods is in you.'

Dan 4:19 "Then Daniel, whose name is Belteshazzar, was appalled for a while as his thoughts alarmed him. The king responded and said, 'Belteshazzar, do not let the dream or its interpretation alarm you.' Belteshazzar replied, 'My lord, {if only} the dream applied to those who hate you and its interpretation to your adversaries!
Dan 4:20 'The tree that you saw, which became large and grew strong, whose height reached to the sky and was visible to all the earth

Dan 4:21 and whose foliage {was} beautiful and its fruit abundant, and in which {was} food for all, under which the beasts of the field dwelt and in whose branches the birds of the sky lodged--

Dan 4:22 it is you, O king; for you have become great and grown strong, and your majesty has become great and reached to the sky and your dominion to the end of the earth.

Dan 4:23 'In that the king saw an {angelic} watcher, a holy one, descending from heaven and saying, "Chop down the tree and destroy it; yet leave the stump with its roots in the ground, but with a band of iron and bronze {around it} in the new grass of the field, and let him be drenched with the dew of heaven, and let him share with the beasts of the field until seven periods of time pass over him,"

Dan 4:24 this is the interpretation, O king, and this is the decree of the Most High, which has come upon my lord the king:

Dan 4:25 that you be driven away from mankind and your dwelling place be with the beasts of the field, and you be given grass to eat like cattle and be drenched with the dew of heaven; and seven periods of time will pass over you, until you recognize that the Most High is ruler over the realm of mankind and bestows it on whomever He wishes.

Dan 4:26 'And in that it was commanded to leave the stump with the roots of the tree, your kingdom will be assured to you after you recognize that {it is} Heaven {that} rules.

Dan 4:27 'Therefore, O king, may my advice be pleasing to you: break away now from your sins by {doing} righteousness and from your iniquities by showing mercy to {the} poor, in case there may be a prolonging of your prosperity.'



Dan 4:33 "Immediately the word concerning Nebuchadnezzar was fulfilled; and he was driven away from mankind and began eating grass like cattle, and his body was drenched with the dew of heaven until his hair had grown like eagles' {feathers} and his nails like birds' {claws.}

Dan 4:34 "But at the end of that period, I, Nebuchadnezzar, raised my eyes toward heaven and my reason returned to me, and I blessed the Most High and praised and honored Him who lives forever; For His dominion is an everlasting dominion, And His kingdom {endures} from generation to generation.

Dan 4:35 "All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, But He does according to His will in the host of heaven And {among} the inhabitants of earth; And no one can ward off His hand Or say to Him, 'What have You done?'

Dan 4:36 "At that time my reason returned to me. And my majesty and splendor were restored to me for the glory of my kingdom, and my counselors and my nobles began seeking me out; so I was reestablished in my sovereignty, and surpassing greatness was added to me.

Dan 4:37 "Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise, exalt and honor the King of heaven, for all His works are true and His ways just, and He is able to humble those who walk in pride."

In contrast, the Antichrist:
Dan 7:24 'As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings will arise; and another will arise after them, and he will be different from the previous ones and will subdue three kings.

Dan 7:25 'He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.

Dan 7:26 'But the court will sit {for judgment,} and his dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever.
Dan 8:23 "In the latter period of their rule, When the transgressors have run {their course,} A king will arise, Insolent and skilled in intrigue.Dan 8:24 "His power will be mighty, but not by his {own} power, And he will destroy to an extraordinary degree And prosper and perform {his will;} He will destroy mighty men and the holy people.Dan 8:25 "And through his shrewdness He will cause deceit to succeed by his influence; And he will magnify {himself} in his heart, And he will destroy many while {they are} at ease. He will even oppose the Prince of princes, But he will be broken without human agency.

Dan 11:36 "Then the king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will speak monstrous things against the God of gods; and he will prosper until the indignation is finished, for that which is decreed will be done.

Dan 11:37 "He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the desire of women, nor will he show regard for any {other} god; for he will magnify himself above {them} all.

Dan 11:38 "But instead he will honor a god of fortresses, a god whom his fathers did not know; he will honor {him} with gold, silver, costly stones and treasures.




I hope the discerning reader will see the difference between Neb.'s "and I blessed the Most High and praised and honored Him who lives forever; For His dominion is an everlasting dominion, And His kingdom {endures} from generation to generation" and the one who does this:
"He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the desire of women, nor will he show regard for any {other} god; for he will magnify himself above {them} all."
 
Upvote 0

FreeinChrist

CF Advisory team
Christian Forums Staff
Site Advisor
Site Supporter
Jul 2, 2003
152,835
19,972
USA
✟2,099,635.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Democrat
So do you believe in reincarnation, Valerie?

IF the 4th seal is the old King Neb. who died 2500 years ago....who resurrects him? Or isn't he resurrected?

How do you explain his words in Daniel 4?
 
Upvote 0

Rafael

Only time enough for love
Jul 25, 2002
2,570
319
74
Midwest
Visit site
✟6,445.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
FreeinChrist said:
I think I will copy this part of your post before you rapture it, Valerie.


Seems God had Nebuchadnezzer (NEb. for short) write a short passage in the Holy Bible. some highlights:

Dan 4:1 Nebuchadnezzar the king to all the peoples, nations, and {men of every} language that live in all the earth: "May your peace abound!
Dan 4:2 "It has seemed good to me to declare the signs and wonders which the Most High God has done for me.
Dan 4:3 "How great are His signs And how mighty are His wonders! His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom And His dominion is from generation to generation.
Dan 4:4 "I, Nebuchadnezzar, was at ease in my house and flourishing in my palace.

Dan 4:5 "I saw a dream and it made me fearful; and {these} fantasies {as I lay} on my bed and the visions in my mind kept alarming me.




Dan 4:18 'This is the dream {which} I, King Nebuchadnezzar, have seen. Now you, Belteshazzar, tell {me} its interpretation, inasmuch as none of the wise men of my kingdom is able to make known to me the interpretation; but you are able, for a spirit of the holy gods is in you.'

Dan 4:19 "Then Daniel, whose name is Belteshazzar, was appalled for a while as his thoughts alarmed him. The king responded and said, 'Belteshazzar, do not let the dream or its interpretation alarm you.' Belteshazzar replied, 'My lord, {if only} the dream applied to those who hate you and its interpretation to your adversaries!
Dan 4:20 'The tree that you saw, which became large and grew strong, whose height reached to the sky and was visible to all the earth

Dan 4:21 and whose foliage {was} beautiful and its fruit abundant, and in which {was} food for all, under which the beasts of the field dwelt and in whose branches the birds of the sky lodged--

Dan 4:22 it is you, O king; for you have become great and grown strong, and your majesty has become great and reached to the sky and your dominion to the end of the earth.

Dan 4:23 'In that the king saw an {angelic} watcher, a holy one, descending from heaven and saying, "Chop down the tree and destroy it; yet leave the stump with its roots in the ground, but with a band of iron and bronze {around it} in the new grass of the field, and let him be drenched with the dew of heaven, and let him share with the beasts of the field until seven periods of time pass over him,"

Dan 4:24 this is the interpretation, O king, and this is the decree of the Most High, which has come upon my lord the king:

Dan 4:25 that you be driven away from mankind and your dwelling place be with the beasts of the field, and you be given grass to eat like cattle and be drenched with the dew of heaven; and seven periods of time will pass over you, until you recognize that the Most High is ruler over the realm of mankind and bestows it on whomever He wishes.

Dan 4:26 'And in that it was commanded to leave the stump with the roots of the tree, your kingdom will be assured to you after you recognize that {it is} Heaven {that} rules.

Dan 4:27 'Therefore, O king, may my advice be pleasing to you: break away now from your sins by {doing} righteousness and from your iniquities by showing mercy to {the} poor, in case there may be a prolonging of your prosperity.'



Dan 4:33 "Immediately the word concerning Nebuchadnezzar was fulfilled; and he was driven away from mankind and began eating grass like cattle, and his body was drenched with the dew of heaven until his hair had grown like eagles' {feathers} and his nails like birds' {claws.}

Dan 4:34 "But at the end of that period, I, Nebuchadnezzar, raised my eyes toward heaven and my reason returned to me, and I blessed the Most High and praised and honored Him who lives forever; For His dominion is an everlasting dominion, And His kingdom {endures} from generation to generation.

Dan 4:35 "All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, But He does according to His will in the host of heaven And {among} the inhabitants of earth; And no one can ward off His hand Or say to Him, 'What have You done?'

Dan 4:36 "At that time my reason returned to me. And my majesty and splendor were restored to me for the glory of my kingdom, and my counselors and my nobles began seeking me out; so I was reestablished in my sovereignty, and surpassing greatness was added to me.

Dan 4:37 "Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise, exalt and honor the King of heaven, for all His works are true and His ways just, and He is able to humble those who walk in pride."

In contrast, the Antichrist:
Dan 7:24 'As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings will arise; and another will arise after them, and he will be different from the previous ones and will subdue three kings.

Dan 7:25 'He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.

Dan 7:26 'But the court will sit {for judgment,} and his dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever.
Dan 8:23 "In the latter period of their rule, When the transgressors have run {their course,} A king will arise, Insolent and skilled in intrigue.Dan 8:24 "His power will be mighty, but not by his {own} power, And he will destroy to an extraordinary degree And prosper and perform {his will;} He will destroy mighty men and the holy people.Dan 8:25 "And through his shrewdness He will cause deceit to succeed by his influence; And he will magnify {himself} in his heart, And he will destroy many while {they are} at ease. He will even oppose the Prince of princes, But he will be broken without human agency.

Dan 11:36 "Then the king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will speak monstrous things against the God of gods; and he will prosper until the indignation is finished, for that which is decreed will be done.

Dan 11:37 "He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the desire of women, nor will he show regard for any {other} god; for he will magnify himself above {them} all.

Dan 11:38 "But instead he will honor a god of fortresses, a god whom his fathers did not know; he will honor {him} with gold, silver, costly stones and treasures.




I hope the discerning reader will see the difference between Neb.'s "and I blessed the Most High and praised and honored Him who lives forever; For His dominion is an everlasting dominion, And His kingdom {endures} from generation to generation" and the one who does this:
"He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the desire of women, nor will he show regard for any {other} god; for he will magnify himself above {them} all."
Bush speaks highly of God and defeated Sadaam. Could he now symbolically be king of Babylon?
 
Upvote 0

FreeinChrist

CF Advisory team
Christian Forums Staff
Site Advisor
Site Supporter
Jul 2, 2003
152,835
19,972
USA
✟2,099,635.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Democrat
? why? I don't like G.W. Bush but this seems you might not have understood what I posted. I don't believe Saddam was the third rider BTW.

I contrasted the statement of Nebuchadnezzer vs. what the future AC will say.
 
Upvote 0

Rafael

Only time enough for love
Jul 25, 2002
2,570
319
74
Midwest
Visit site
✟6,445.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
vinsight4u said:
President Bush is not the king of Babylon for the bible prophecies as to Daniel 11:15 or later as the ac in verse 21. Many people think today they honour God, but they do not. He is not a God of idols, or in say in the Islamic terrorists that think they are serving God.

Nebuchadnezzar was not a man of God. All he did was add another god to his list of many. Daniel never said that Neb honoured God as his God. Neb had his Babylonian ones. and now he honours God along with them. See though, he didn't understand that God is honoured alone and above all. Nebuchadnezzar even kept the holy God's vessels in his ungodly temple to his Babylonian god. Babylonian history shows they did that when they saw their god as conquered the others.

Nebuchadnezzar says this about all the other people..
reputed as nothing

but as for him......majesty was added unto me
He sees himself as not only not humbled, but super greater than he was before.
excellent majesty was added unto me
my brightness

What brightness did he ever have?

Now he honours the king of heaven so he says......king of heaven?
What about the king of the earth?
God!
Talk is cheap, actions are what matters and Nebuchadnezzar never repented.

mine honour
brightness returned

Are these things a believer says when they realize they are a sinner?

Daniel knew he would not get the third thing that was the intent of Nebuchadnezzar being a beast....
he had to realize that God had set up the lowest of men

Instead.....he tells everybody else that they are reputed as nothing
I understood this before you explained it to me. I don't think Bush is the ac either nor that Neb.. truly honored God according to the sacrifices tht God would accept of a man. I only pointed out that Bush has occupied Iraq and is the power over it now and that their may be symbolic meaning to it. I think that America may be the Babylon of the endtimes that gets destroyed and the merchants of the world lament over, but am probably wrong - right? Let the tomatoes begin:
tomato.gif
 
Upvote 0

FreeinChrist

CF Advisory team
Christian Forums Staff
Site Advisor
Site Supporter
Jul 2, 2003
152,835
19,972
USA
✟2,099,635.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Democrat
vinsight4u said:
President Bush is not the king of Babylon for the bible prophecies as to Daniel 11:15 or later as the ac in verse 21. Many people think today they honour God, but they do not. He is not a God of idols, or in say in the Islamic terrorists that think they are serving God.

Nebuchadnezzar was not a man of God. All he did was add another god to his list of many. Daniel never said that Neb honoured God as his God. Neb had his Babylonian ones. and now he honours God along with them. See though, he didn't understand that God is honoured alone and above all. Nebuchadnezzar even kept the holy God's vessels in his ungodly temple to his Babylonian god. Babylonian history shows they did that when they saw their god as conquered the others.

Nebuchadnezzar says this about all the other people..
reputed as nothing

but as for him......majesty was added unto me
He sees himself as not only not humbled, but super greater than he was before.
excellent majesty was added unto me
my brightness

What brightness did he ever have?

Now he honours the king of heaven so he says......king of heaven?
What about the king of the earth?
God!
Talk is cheap, actions are what matters and Nebuchadnezzar never repented.

mine honour
brightness returned

Are these things a believer says when they realize they are a sinner?

Daniel knew he would not get the third thing that was the intent of Nebuchadnezzar being a beast....
he had to realize that God had set up the lowest of men

Instead.....he tells everybody else that they are reputed as nothing
sorry Valerie - but I will take the opinion I have found in scripture:
Dan 4:2 "It has seemed good to me to declare the signs and wonders which the Most High God has done for me.
Dan 4:3 "How great are His signs And how mighty are His wonders! His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom And His dominion is from generation to generation.


Dan 4:34 "But at the end of that period, I, Nebuchadnezzar, raised my eyes toward heaven and my reason returned to me, and I blessed the Most High and praised and honored Him who lives forever; For His dominion is an everlasting dominion, And His kingdom {endures} from generation to generation.

Dan 4:35 "All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, But He does according to His will in the host of heaven And {among} the inhabitants of earth; And no one can ward off His hand Or say to Him, 'What have You done?'

Dan 4:36 "At that time my reason returned to me. And my majesty and splendor were restored to me for the glory of my kingdom, and my counselors and my nobles began seeking me out; so I was reestablished in my sovereignty, and surpassing greatness was added to me.

Dan 4:37 "Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise, exalt and honor the King of heaven, for all His works are true and His ways just, and He is able to humble those who walk in pride."
 
Upvote 0
Status
Not open for further replies.