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View From the Frontline in Iraq

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Everything you have heard about the war should be viewed with the greatest of suspicion, “consider the source” as we always say. For instance, while training stateside, we were briefed extensively about this war, the conduct of the war and the situation we would encounter. This orientation coincidentally sounded identical to the political drivel being dished out by our politicians. Remember, hundreds of Bush and Cheney cronies are counting on you to keep those war bucks flowing into their bank accounts!

The first five minutes here in country we learned that truth, and what we were told, are two totally different things. For starters, things are not getting better every day, they are getting worse. The bad guys are becoming more sophisticated and, sadly, thanks to our illustrious “leadership” at command level, we are becoming more stupid.

For example, during WWII it was discovered that a pathetically low number of soldiers were actually shooting at the enemy. Aggressive training helped up that number during Korea and Vietnam but now we’ve gone quite over the top. Today, everybody wants to shoot (except old war horses like me who have the crazy idea that we ought to make sure it’s an enemy we are shooting).

Many commanders are playing cowboy over here, they are showing up with their own agenda and running your taxpayer-funded army units staffed with your children like their own personal fiefdoms. I thought that George S. Patton was the worst egomaniac to command US troops in modern times but he was a mere piker compared to some of the Lieutenant Colonels and above over here.

For example, one battalion commander (who was thankfully relieved stateside) had his own policy for dealing with Iraqi’s loitering on top of overpasses.

Loitering is sort of a national pastime, either because so many are out of work or perhaps because it gives the locals a chance to socialize. The battalion commander in question had a simple policy for clearing out these Iraqi citizens… machine gun them off the bridge. Thankfully his personal opinions on how to wage war were discovered by one of the few remaining people in our military command with a lick of sense and he was relieved.

A few days ago, one of the infantry units here that spend most of their time sitting behind the wire on their FOB, had an IED attack. When the bomb went off, an Iraqi family that was near the blast became terrified and ran away (as anyone would naturally do). The American GI’s successfully massacred the mother, the father, the grandmother and one of the two teenage girls. The surviving child was lucky to escape with only having both legs blown off.

Read the full article by Michael Peirce here

"Today, everybody wants to shoot" Sadly, these new soldiers are from the vidya game generation (some actually used by the armed forces) where shooting has no consequences except more points.

Grace & Peace, Rab
 

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RED ALERT!! RED ALERT!!
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This is not a drill! :rolleyes:


This article comes from the extremist BLOG LewRockwell.com. DO NOT take any of it as the literal truth, but instead realize it for what it is: propaganda. And I cannot seriously believe the original poster believes the whole story about watcing a soldier gun down a family for nothing.... give me a break....


Please, stow this away in the politics section.
 
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Contrary to the "Red Alert" hysteria of James......I find this story quite normal for a war of occupation.

Just a few days ago we had the incident where a t.v. crew got shot up for nothing more than driving fast away from a bomb explosion.

To hear now that a family was shot up for running fast away from a bomb is perfectly logical. Anyone who runs in the vicinity of some action becomes a target when the army of occupation is stressed out, jumpy and LOSING the war.

Armies of occupation commit atrocities. That's a given.

If the army is occupying a nation of another religion and ethnicity....the atrocities will be FAR worse.

It's the nature of the beast because they come to feel overwhelming fear, hate and guilt.......so they shoot with little discrimination.

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jameseb said:
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This is not a drill! :rolleyes:


This article comes from the extremist Left BLOG LewRockwell.com. DO NOT take any of it as the literal truth, but instead realize it for what it is: propaganda. And I cannot seriously believe the original poster believes the whole story about watcing a soldier gun down a family for nothing.... give me a break.... please, stow this away in the politics section.
James,

How about giving us all a break from laughing at your outrageous and ridiculously uninformed slam at the Lewrockwell.com website:D Seriously, I almost broke a couple of ribs rolling on the floor laughing.

You've lost all credibility with your absurd portrayal of Lewrockwell.com as "extreme left". This reveals your utter lack of knowledge of the historical roots of conservatism which has ALWAYS been "anti-war, anti-interventionist, anti-internationalist". Your obious love for the war party and their vicious empire building leaves no doubt as to YOUR left political leanings.


Your defense of the obviously internationalistic, big spending, big government, hater of peace and lover of money GW Bush indicates to me that you consider yourself a "conservative", and yet your rabid defense of the current Republican administration makes me think that the word "conservative" doesn't mean what you think it means, though by engaging in meaningless name calling you do fit in well with the current shrill Neo-Con fake conservatives.

As for the OP and the author Michael Peirce, I'd take his serious word any day over the shrieking of pseudo-conservatives like yourself and the current sociopaths in the White House.
 
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"Perfectly logical?" I'm sure if an Iraqi told you right now "The Americans used atomics on us!" you'd believe that too.... validation of news doesn't seem to be a high priority of yours, Roz.
 
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kickingsacredcows said:
James,

How about giving us all a break from laughing at your outrageous and ridiculously uninformed slam at the Lewrockwell.com website:D Seriously, I almost broke a couple of ribs rolling on the floor laughing.

How about you watch yourself? There's a difference between me slamming a BLOG and you slamming me.... perhaps you should refresh yourself with the rules, slick.

In addition, you have a real propensity with throwing your 'intellectual' weight around these boards.... if anyone seems to disagree with you, you call them "uniformed." Let me tell you something, I am quite aware of that site and I've learned a lot about it after frequently visiting the site after it being used here over and over again as a legitimate source of news.'


You've lost all credibility with your absurd portrayal of Lewrockwell.com as "extreme left". This reveals your utter lack of knowledge of the historical roots of conservatism which has ALWAYS been "anti-war, anti-interventionist, anti-internationalist". Your obious love for the war party and their vicious empire building leaves no doubt as to YOUR left political leanings.

Again, get off your intellectual and 'all knowing' high horse. There's nothing "conservative" (and please, let's stick to modern definitions of a 'conservative' shall we? :rolleyes: )about them, and the site is an extremist site (note that before you posted your reprehensible post I had edited mine own because I had injected the word "left").....gee, maybe you should read some of the articles there where the writer themself identified themself as a Democrat? Did you miss that? Though I didn't mean to tag them "left" (what can I say, I'm dealing with a lot of people from the Left here) some of them there are NOT about hiding their affiliation with the Democratic party.....:rolleyes:


Your defense of the obviously internationalistic, big spending, big government, hater of peace and lover of money GW Bush indicates to me that you consider yourself a "conservative", and yet your rabid defense of the current Republican administration makes me think that the word "conservative" doesn't mean what you think it means, though by engaging in meaningless name calling you do fit in well with the current shrill Neo-Con fake conservatives.

I'd sure love to meet you someday. :) Regardless, don't put words or statements in my mouth. I never said I was defending him...why don't you pulll up some proof that I did?

Well? I'm waiting....

As for the OP and the author Michael Peirce, I'd take his serious word any day over the shrieking of pseudo-conservatives like yourself and the current sociopaths in the White House.

Ah..spoken like a true extremist.... thank you again for proving my point that those of the far left are full of vicious spite and prone to agressive and abusive words and name calling. You do your side such justice. :)
 
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We did use Depleted Uranium ammunition on them (http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/03/288022.html). All over their country in fact. But that's okay, because Americans are heroes and we can do no wrong. Black is white and white is black. The Ministry of Truth never lies.
 
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Ebed-Yahweh said:
We did use Depleted Uranium ammunition on them (http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/03/288022.html). All over their country in fact. But that's okay, because Americans are heroes and we can do no wrong. Black is white and white is black. The Ministry of Truth never lies.


Yes, and that's why all of our soldiers (who are around that ammo even more than the enemy) are all dropping like flies because of cancer. I know I at least don't glow in the dark.
 
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Ebed-Yahweh said:
We did use Depleted Uranium ammunition on them (http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/03/288022.html). All over their country in fact. But that's okay, because Americans are heroes and we can do no wrong. Black is white and white is black. The Ministry of Truth never lies.

That article is chock full of ignorance.

"Just about all American bullets, 120 mm tank shells, missiles, dumb bombs, smart bombs, 500 and 2,000 pound bombs, cruise missiles, and anything else engineered to help our side in the war of us against them has Uranium in it. Lots of Uranium."

What junk. No weapon listed there uses uranium (unless the cruise missile was armed with a nuclear warhead). 120mm APFSDS shells and the 30mm shells of the GAU8/A in the A-10 use DEPLETED uranium- an entirely different matter.

As for his claims of "Iraq coated with 4 million pounds of radiactive dust", reference the World Health Organization.

WHO said:
Under most circumstances, use of DU will make a negligible contribution to the overall natural background levels of uranium in the environment. Probably the greatest potential for DU exposure will follow conflict where DU munitions are used.

A recent United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) report giving field measurements taken around selected impact sites in Kosovo (Federal Republic of Yugoslavia) indicates that contamination by DU in the environment was localized to a few tens of metres around impact sites. Contamination by DU dusts of local vegetation and water supplies was found to be extremely low. Thus, the probability of significant exposure to local populations was considered to be very low.

A UN expert team reported in November 2002 that they found traces of DU in three locations among 14 sites investigated in Bosnia following NATO airstrikes in 1995. A full report is expected to be published by UNEP in March 2003.
 
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Jacey said:
Ever hear of Gulf War Syndrome?


Yes I have, Jacey, and I was there. Neither I nor any of my mates suffered from GWS. Though I've never been willing to write it off as the military seeminly has, I do question it having something to do with our munitions.
 
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Ebed-Yahweh said:
The ammo itself is not radioactive, only toxic. It doesn't become radioactive until it detonates. Becomes a fine radioactive powder. Might not be powerful enough to kill you right away, but it will make you sick for the rest of life.

http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Ex_Pentagon_doctor_112203.htm
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?nn20031122b3.htm
http://www.umrc.net/


Mate, I know... I was making a joke about glowing in the dark, but rather poorly I guess.
 
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Grunt said:
That article is chock full of ignorance.

"Just about all American bullets, 120 mm tank shells, missiles, dumb bombs, smart bombs, 500 and 2,000 pound bombs, cruise missiles, and anything else engineered to help our side in the war of us against them has Uranium in it. Lots of Uranium."

What junk. No weapon listed there uses uranium (unless the cruise missile was armed with a nuclear warhead). 120mm APFSDS shells and the 30mm shells of the GAU8/A in the A-10 use DEPLETED uranium- an entirely different matter.

As for his claims of "Iraq coated with 4 million pounds of radiactive dust", reference the World Health Organization.


Rep for you, mate. :)
 
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Army officials at Fort Dix and Walter Reed Army Medical Center are rushing to test all returning members of the 442nd Military Police Company of the New York Army National Guard for depleted uranium contamination.
Army brass acted after learning that four of nine soldiers from the company tested by the Daily News showed signs of radiation exposure.

The soldiers, who returned from Iraq late last year, say they and other members of their company have been suffering from unexplained illnesses since last summer, when they were stationed in the Iraqi town of Samawah.

Dr. Asaf Durakovic, a former Army doctor and nuclear medicine expert who examined and tested the nine men at The News' request, concluded four of them "almost certainly" inhaled radioactive dust from exploded depleted uranium shells fired by U.S. troops.

(From http://www.nydailynews.com/04-05-2004/news/story/180644p-156921c.html)
 
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Jacey said:
I've met the children of vets of the first Gulf War. I was hardly amused at your attempted "joke."


Considering the nature of some of yours, I'd say its a mutual feeling so spare me your shock.
 
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